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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:11 am Reply with quoteBack to top

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/5874998/Man-bursts-into-flames-after-being-hit-by-Taser.html

The use of tasers in the UK has become quite controversial but I'm only posting this because it caught my eye as something quite bizarre. Apparently the man had been glue sniffing, which explains why there was such an extreme result.

On a side note, on checking all the records of discharges, one UK police officer even managed to taser himself with an accidental discharge, and after human beings, tasers were most frequently used on dogs, which puts some very weird mental images in my mind.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5602424/Police-Taser-themselves-sheep-and-pets-by-accident.html

Apparently even a sheep was tasered, and on another occassion an 89 year old man was hit too.

I know I shouldn't find it amusing - but sadly I do.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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Apparently the man had been glue sniffing, which explains why there was such an extreme result.


Actually he'd been sniffing petrol, but it does explain what happened, true.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:29 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'd really like to see a lad getting tazed that would be funny

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:41 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^especially whilst sniffing petrol. Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:59 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ and smoking a cheap cigerette

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

With more and more agencies issuing their cops taser guns, the number of officers injured while taking a resisting suspect into custody has dropped dramatically.

They are small enough to carry on the officers gun belt so he or she always has assess to it unlike a beanbag gun or a pepperball gun. Some agencies allow the tasers to be carried in lieu of a baton or PR24.

I am all for anything that makes the job of police officers safer.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

They tasered him on the bridge of his nose? He's lucky he wasn't blinded.

I find this all highly unlikely. I would be surprised if a taser could ignite petrol vapour when used at range, but not very surprised.

On the other hand the head-shot and the pouring petrol on his face seem to be trying to explain what happened.

To my mind it is just as likely that there was enough petrol vapour around from random spillage and evaporation to cause the initial burn. It's just as likely that the lighter he was carrying started the fire. Maybe the muscle contractions from being tasered caused him to ignite it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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A police spokesman said a male police officer fired the Taser when Mr Mitchell ran at police with the petrol container and refused to stop when officers repeatedly told him to.



A 35 year old inhalant abuser? He was probably almost functionally brain dead, anyway. He probably thought he was running away from the cops.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Both my brother and father work in a jail. The chief asked them to come to the garage for a demonstration. They pepper sprayed a spot on the concrete floor, layed the two ends of a taser, and lit it up. It caught fire. The chief said, that if you have pepper sprayed an inmate, and you hear "Taser!", RUN!
Of course it could be the propellant that ignites, but still. They might have changed the composition so they don't light anyone on fire. This was about 5 years ago.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

'The incident took place in the West Australian remote desert community of Warburton...'

Brings a whole new meaning to lightly toasted!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The Taser is a nice option to have available. It has received bad press, but sometimes, without that tool, the only other option would be a .45 caliber hole in the suspects chest cavity.

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They pepper sprayed a spot on the concrete floor, layed the two ends of a taser, and lit it up. It caught fire.


99% of propellants used in chemical irritants is now non-flammable. There is still some old old stuff out there in the wild, but it is rare.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^

You're right pfrank. Because of some isolated incidents involving alcohol based OC (pepper spray) deliver systems and tasers, most of the alcohol based systems have been removed. They have been replaced with non-flammable delivery methods which evaproate faster than the previously used alcohol. The evap factor is important becuase the OC is not effective until contact is made with the skin or mucous membranes. When the delivery substance evaps the oil makes contact.

Tasers are a great psychological deterrant. Often times the weapon only need be threatened or displayed to gain compliance from an active resister. There is a great example from the U.S. show "COPS" is two officers dealing with a very large, well muscled individual at a domestic violence call. The gentleman is easily two to three times bigger than the officers attempting to cuff him (one cannot even get his hands aroung the suspect's wrist!). The officers warn that resistance to lawful commands will result in the use of a taser upon the individual. Sure enough the big guy gets squirrely (no offense SOOI) and the taser is deployed. The big guy ccries like a baby and immediately apologizes to the officers for not listening! Allows himself to be secured in cuff and no further incident occurs. Post incident, the subject is amazed that a guy like him for his size was brought down by the taser.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm doing research now on whether or not I will issue TASERS to my Officers. There are pros and cons to TASERS. Over the last few years I have personally seen more and more people immune to the pepper spray. I have even had a "career criminal" tell me that he regularly sprays himself with pepper spray to help become immune to it. When you are a Police Officer in a rural jurisdiction you need the upper hand, one that works. Normally, backup for my Officers are 15 minutes away. A long time when you are confronted with a hostile perp that's immune to pepper spray.
If a proper Policy and Procedure are in place with the LE agency regarding the use of TASERS, you should have no problem, but still,doing my research.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ghost wrote:
With more and more agencies issuing their cops taser guns, the number of officers injured while taking a resisting suspect into custody has dropped dramatically.

They are small enough to carry on the officers gun belt so he or she always has assess to it unlike a beanbag gun or a pepperball gun. Some agencies allow the tasers to be carried in lieu of a baton or PR24.

I am all for anything that makes the job of police officers safer.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:45 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It's all kind of subjective, I think. If you're the guy (or gal) having some 6ft 6 lunatic coming at you with a machete, I guess you'd see tasers as a nice idea.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

PsycheDelia_Smith wrote:
If you're the guy (or gal) having some 6ft 6 lunatic coming at you with a machete


In that scenario, I would stick with my trusty Glock Model 21.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:43 am Reply with quoteBack to top

That'll do it, but the Coppers over here don't have that option (on normal duty).

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