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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:05 pm

I’ve got a lad who says he’s in Canada. He’s even provided me with a photo of a Canadian drivers license. I’ve got him thinking I’m going to give him Power of Attorney and wire him money to open a bank account for me.

If in fact he is in Canada, should I notify any local law-enforcement? Besides the fraud he’s also practicing law without a license and/or impersonating a lawyer. I know that’s a serious crime here in the US. I know the Nigerian government wouldn’t do anything but I’m not sure about people in other countries.

I know here in Texas, our law-enforcement would be interested and maybe even set up a sting operation. That is, catch him when he’s trying to get the money at Western Union. But this is Texas.

This might be for nothing anyway. I’m waiting on him to provide me with “proof of his good standing in the High Court of Canada”. I can’t wait to see what he comes up with. Then there’s the possibility that once he does he’ll ask that I wire the money to his home office which happens to be in Nigeria.

By the way, I love my home state, Texas. I’m proud of it. I could spend hours talking about the best place in the world. But there are a few things I’m not proud of and they are related to our laws and criminal punishments. Please, let’s don’t get into any discussions about said laws and punishments anywhere on this forum. It's not really a good place to do so.

Now if you wanna discuss Chicken Fried Steak or Chili or Frito Pies, let me know and I'll start a thread in another board...

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:09 pm

What does his IP info say?

The canada driver's license could very well be identity theft. Does it look real? If you think it hasn't been shopped yet, please PM a mod about it so he/she can look at it. If this is identity theft, maybe the victim needs to be warned about it.

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:24 pm

^^What he said. I would be willing to guess he's not from Canada, although there are a decent number of scammers up there. Even still, the liklihood of catching them is almost nil.

Also, I don't think anyone here would ever try to get in a debate over Texas' laws or anything. Could be wrong though. Personally, I approve of the laws and criminal punishments in Texas...we all have our differences, and I would like to think everyone here knows this isn't the place to debate them.

And I have yet to meet a Texan who doesn't love their state. Very Happy

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:51 pm

Should I post the e-mail header and let someobdy look at it? I'm still learning to read e-mail headers. What I got after looking at the header and looking up the IP is that it came from Isreal....

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:53 pm

Go ahead, post up the header.
You could just throw the full header into http://headertool.apelord.com/ which is usually right Wink

ETA: I seem to remember reading in a topic about checking headers that Israel happened a lot with satelite providers?
ETA2:

DrWho wrote:

No IP address lookup is 100% accurate. In the case of this particular scammer, the IP address is located in Nigeria and his ISP is "Direct On PC". However, sometimes this can be deceiving. A lot of scammers use satellite internet providers, which will make them appear to be in Australia, Israel, Utah and several other locations.

in this topic: http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137846#1

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:59 pm

Somebody let me know if I didn't do this correctly. I'm pretty sure I "x'd" out my gmail address and other personal information. Not that it matters...

Delivered-To: [email protected]
Received: by 10.204.64.210 with SMTP id f18cs228636bki;
Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:55:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.223.113.136 with SMTP id a8mr5345677faq.101.1245160503630;
Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from tamar.safe-mail.net (tamar.safe-mail.net [213.8.161.229])
by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 3si7289673fxm.84.2009.06.16.06.55.02;
Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:55:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of [email protected] designates 213.8.161.229 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.8.161.229;
DomainKey-Status: good (test mode)
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of [email protected] designates 213.8.161.229 as permitted sender) [email protected]; domainkeys=pass (test mode) [email protected]
Received: by tamar.safe-mail.net with Safe-mail (Exim 4.66)
(envelope-from <[email protected]>)
id 1MGZ7p-00044C-ON
for [email protected]; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:54:57 -0400
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s=N1-0105; d=Safe-mail.net;
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Received: from pc ([209.90.153.250]) by Safe-mail.net with https
Subject: Re: Yes, I received your letter
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:54:57 -0400
From: "Confidential File" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:04 pm

Quote:

Received: from pc ([209.90.153.250]) by Safe-mail.net with https

So I guess we can be sort of certain that is the scammers IP, I guess. Though the domain-name suggests it's safer than sending along your real IP.

According to this tool the IP is located in Canada

Quote:

209.90.153.250 Canada (Etobicoke)

A whois of the IP tell us:

Quote:

OrgName: Primus Telecommunications Canada Inc.
OrgID: PRCA
Address: 5343 Dundas Street West
Address: Suite 400
City: Etobicoke
StateProv: ON
PostalCode: M9B-6K5
Country: CA

NetRange: 209.90.128.0 - 209.90.191.255
CIDR: 209.90.128.0/18
NetName: PRIMUS-209BLK
NetHandle: NET-209-90-128-0-1
Parent: NET-209-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.PRIMUS.CA
NameServer: NS2.PRIMUS.CA
Comment:
RegDate: 2000-03-15
Updated: 2000-11-06

RTechHandle: ZP40-ARIN
RTechName: Primus Telecommunications Canada Inc.
RTechPhone: +1-416-236-3636
RTechEmail: **********@primus.ca

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE48-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse Services
OrgAbusePhone: +1-800-265-3600
OrgAbuseEmail: *****@primus.ca

OrgTechHandle: ANA41-ARIN
OrgTechName: Nadarajah, Ahim
OrgTechPhone: +1-416-236-3636
OrgTechEmail: **********@primustel.ca

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2009-06-15 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

So the ISP is primus.ca
Checking their site I can't find anything about a sattelite connection very quickly... So this lad might very well be in canada after all. But even then I'd still doubt if the drivers license was really his.

ETA: About safe-mail.net
From their site:

Quote:

3 Mb space is free. More space and functionality is supplied under Premium Packages. There are no advertisements, downloads or cookies. Safe-mail supports most hardware platforms and any operating system. Includes file storage, spam filters and anti virus protection. Full compatibility with most browsers, email clients and all relevant protocols including POP, SMTP, IMAP, S/MIME and PKI.

So send him a few large files, to check if he's on premium. He might very well be paying for his account Wink

ETA2: It gets even better, a whois of safe-mail.net:

Quote:

Registrant: Make this info private
almond systerms international Ltd.
2-26-23-701 Minami-Otsuka,Toshima-ku
Tokyo, 170-0005
JP

Administrative Contact :
Ofir, Amiram
[email protected]
P.O.Box 39001
Givat-Ram
Jerusalem, 91390
IL
Phone: +972 2 648 0066
Fax: +972 2 648 0180

Technical Contact :
Ofir, Amiram
[email protected]
P.O.Box 39001
Givat-Ram
Jerusalem, 91390
IL
Phone: +972-2-648-0066
Fax: +972-2-648-0180

Record expires on 09-Oct-2017
Record created on 10-Oct-1998
Database last updated on 28-Jul-2008

Domain servers in listed order: Manage DNS

NSA.SAFE-MAIL.NET 213.8.161.228
NSB.SAFE-MAIL.NET 213.8.192.78
LS1.SAFE-MAIL.NET 213.8.192.77

Show underlying registry data for this record

Current Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
IP Address: 213.8.161.230 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: IL(ISRAEL)-TEL AVIV-TEL AVIV
Record Type: Domain Name
Server Type: Apache 2
Lock Status: clientTransferProhibited
Web Site Status: Active
DMOZ 1 listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Secure: Yes
E-commerce: Yes
Traffic Ranking: 4
Data as of: 22-Apr-2008

Source: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/safe-mail.net

So it seems that the e-mail company is in Israel and your lad in Canada. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone...

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:12 pm

How do I go about inserting his drivers license image. I'm still learning the forum software....

Oh, here's part of the Power of Attorney letter he's going to agree to...

Investing funds in various forms including but not limited to -

Stocks - including Initial Pubic Offerings (IPO)
Bonds – Municipal, Private and Barry
Commodes – All forms
Real Estate – Developed and Undeveloped
Agriculture – Including the import and transportation of agriculture products
Pharmaceuticals – Purchase and distribution

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:15 pm

You should upload the image to an image hosting service (e.g photobucket) and then get the link to your image from there and place that between the img-tags. For example:

Code:

[img]http://www.somesite.ext/some_folder/some_image.jpg[/img]

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:53 pm

I have a few baiting accounts set up in safemail. My main (Gmail) account retrives mail via pop3 and fakes the headers to seem to lads as if it was coming from that account.

I have been going to the lad's email domains and find that it is a great source of free email accounts.

Baiting Guru Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 7103 Location: Yes

Jack Pump wrote:

How do I go about inserting his drivers license image. I'm still learning the forum software....

Don't forget to first mark the image with a "FAKE" watermark so that it's not re-used...

Hellish Taskmaster Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 537

Jack Pump wrote:

How do I go about inserting his drivers license image. I'm still learning the forum software....

1. Mark it with "Fake".
2. Go to www.tinypic.com
3. Upload it there
4. You will see something that says, "IMG code for forums/message boards" Cut and paste that in here.[/img][/quote]

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:35 pm

Kanuck lad trying to open a bank account in your name? Perhaps if you could talk to the Mounties and tell the lad *which* bank to use - between the Mounties and the bank, they could put a watch on that account name maybe, and go for an arrest?

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:42 pm

Etobicoke eh?

That's right next door, and somewhere I commonly was coaching hockey teams in the winter months.

I can tell you within a heartbeat if his DL is real or not (prior consulting experience on the subject matter).

It was quite a problem for the Ministry of Transportation in Ontario to have clerks being bribed to create fake credentials. It got some attention to tighten up the IT side of things (my exposure). They well may have probems still.

I just erased a great swath of useful info as this thread may be Googled I am assuming.

PM me if you want to chat on why this would be useful to chase down.

Regards,

419Eater is my life Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 366

Etobicoke is west end of Toronto. Need local references or information
PM me.

Toronto metropolitan area is about 3M people. Toronto is the capital of the province of Ontario Canada

p.

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:52 pm

I’m waiting for him to ask me to wire him money. He did send me a “document” from the Ontario Ministry of the Attorney General.

If he does ask that the money be sent to Canada, I might just ask the RCMP or Toronto Police if they’re interested. I found their web sites and ways to contact them.

Unfortunately, like many law-enforcement agencies all across the world, they might be too busy to deal with somebody like him. I know there’s the possibility of him being able to scream “entrapment” since I was the one who came up with the idea of giving him Power of Attorney and opening the bank account. I just wanted to waste more of his time and see what the idiot did.

But, I'm still not sure if he's in Canada or not. If he asks that money to be wired to Canada, then I’ll go from there….

Here’s the Letter of Recommendation. I hope I did this correctly

http://i41.tinypic.com/vrpwtj.jpg

[mod edit - changed picture to a link to avoid blowout. You can resize to 600 pixels wide, or leave it as a link - NN]

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:56 pm

Hold it! This isn't a scam.. it can't be. It has the RSOT.

As for wiring money to canada, if it's through WU that doesn't say anything. As WU-money can be picked up anywhere

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:10 pm

I didn't know that. I thought you had to specify where the money was going to be picked up.

I'll just keep stringing him along and see what happens.

419Eater is my life Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 366

He has done more homework than most lads.

The Attorney General is Chris Bentley, the address is missing the postal code but otherwise correct.

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/

I would expect that lawyer would have had some legal training however he went on to explain that too

Quote:

His dedication to quality customer service was bar none.

p.

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:36 pm

Yeah, but Master of Puppets said it HAS to be real. It’s got the RSOT which means something and it’s from the Attorney General with letterhead, return e-mail and letterhead and everything. I’m going for it!!!!!!

This is the first time he did anything even remotely intelligent. I asked for “any form of documentation proving you are a attorney allowed to practice law in Canada”. I was expecting something really stupid but he goes and actually finds out who the Attorney General is.

The other letters have been nothing but the “I’m a well respected lawyer so you can trust me” stuff.

Have there been many scammers actually working in countries that DO WANT to catch these guys. Besides the US I’m sure that Canada, Australia, the UK and some other places would work with an ‘eater to catch a scammer. The Texas Department of Public Safety (our state law-enforcement, Texas Rangers) would love to catch a “lad”. That would be all over the news.

Anybody know if scammers have been caught in countries outside the normal Nigeria and so on???

Elite Baiter Joined: 16 Jul 2008 Posts: 1407

RSOT= Red Seal Of Truth.

Another way to tell if the offer is 100% Risky Free is if ANYWHERE on the document is a "Scale of Justice" or "Lady Justice"

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:49 am

Jack Pump wrote:

Commodes – All forms

Wonder if he has a potty mouth? Laughing

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:22 am

@ Jack Pump,

Did you get a chance to post that Ontario Driver's License anywhere?

Regards,

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:28 pm

Here's the drivers license

http://i39.tinypic.com/6nywbt.jpg

Mod edit - image changed to link to prevent blowout, maximum 600 pixels width for images, please - SP

I asked him for a fax number and I'm waiting on it. That will tell me if he's in Canada. He'll probably say he doesn't have a fax and want it sent to an e-mail account.

I asked him, as an attorney, to either make changes or approve the Power of Attorney document. He approved it, as an attorney. Here's what it looked like

Power of Attorney

Hereby, the following parties do hereby agree to enter into a limited partnership for the purpose of investing funds.

J*** Z**** of the United States of America
Charles Fagan of Canada

I, J*** Z****, do hereby grant Limited Power of Attorney to Mr. Charles Fagan for the purpose of establishing a financial relationship and investment opportunities in the Canada sovereign.

Hereby, the Power of Attorney will include but not be limited to the following actions.

Open, close and maintain bank accounts for the purpose of holding funds.

Transferring said funds to and from various investments including stocks, commodities, real estate and other said investments that make money.

Sending and receiving funds from Canada to the United States of America.

Open, close and maintain investment accounts with various established financial houses.

Transfer said funds to and from accounts when deemed necessary.

Establish and maintain trust funds for the purpose of holding investment funds.

Investing funds in various forms including but not limited to -

Stocks - including Initial Pubic Offerings (IPO)
Bonds – Municipal, Private and Barry
Commodes – All forms
Real Estate – Developed and Undeveloped
Agriculture – Including the import and transportation of agriculture products
Pharmaceuticals – Purchase and distribution

Mr. Fagan will only have access to accounts opened by him in my behalf. Mr. Fagan can withdraw and deposit funds he deems necessary. Mr. Fagan will immediately notify Mr. Z**** of said transactions.

Mr. Fagan will NOT have access to accounts not opened by him anywhere in the United States and Canada. Mr. Fagan will not have access to the following –

The Last Will and Testament of Mr. Z****
Access to Personal and Private e-mails
Access to any funds held by the children of Mr. Z****
Access to health records of Mr. Z****

You can see that he's a great attorney with a great mind for contracts. He's going to invest in Pubic Offerings and all sorts of other things like Barry Bonds...
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:35 pm

I'll forward this to someone I know professionally. You might well have opened a can of worms for something going on. If so, they will be quite appreciative (as they've been in the past when they cracked fake id rings). Who knows, you might see something little thing in the press in 3 or 6 months mentioning the MTO and OPP have got together on it!

[edit] Forgot to add - Shuter is just a charming area to live in. Just south of about the worst area for crime in downtown Toronto and notorious for anything and everything. No surprise he has his address there. This might well be a real, but bogus id. Or, curiously enough, he could be dumb enough to be telling you his real identify.

Secondly, the part about him representing himself as an attorney will get great interest from the Law Society of Upper Canada (the lawyers). They are ferocious about protecting the brand. [/edit]

Regards,

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