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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi,

Just purely out of curiosity do you keep a list/map of the physical locations of the lads. i keep seeing the same areas come up in email on my catcher account. i was thinking along the lines of Google earth you could use placemarks for everyone to see. this is just a thought. i did search on here first but found nothing about this so i am sorry if i missed a previous post about this
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

To my knowledge, nobody has done this on any major scale - so if you want to give it a go and see if anyone wants to join in, feel free! My guesstimate is 50% Lagos, 25% rest of Nigeria, 15% other West Africa, 8% Vlads, 2% elsewhere - based on nothing more detailed than what I've had in my own box...it'd be good to collect some firmer figures and see how close my guestimates are Wink

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

In the past 7 months, I've responded to 136 individual Scammers. Of these, 13 were of an unknown location. Of the remaining 123, they were from (percentages rounded to whole numbers):

Senegal 32%
Nigeria 28%
Côte d'Ivoire 10%
Ghana 8%
Togo 6%
Benin 3%
Guinea-Bissau 2%
South Africa 2%
Spain 2%

And these at less than 1% (ie 1 Lad only from each of these locations):

Gabon
Guyana
China
Malaysia
India
Monaco
Russia
Netherlands
UK

All the above taken from non-proxy IP addresses, IP usually the or a major city.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Interesting how Branwen's experience shows the most from Senegal. I wonder if that is because you generally respond to a certain kind of lad/scam.

I think it would be interesting to see a compilation of where the scams originate from and if there are more of certain kinds of scams coming out of certain countries. OK...I admit it, I am a bit of a geek when it comes to statistics. Embarassed

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:22 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I think you have a point Harvestmoon, I was noticing a while back that a vast majority of my lads have been from Cote dIvore, with only a couple exceptions I can think of-- never Nigeria that I can recall.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:30 am Reply with quoteBack to top

"and if there are more of certain kinds of scams coming out of certain countries."

That would be an interesting stat..
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I can assure you that most of the really slick scam websites are from Eastern Europe. Mostly money laundering.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:06 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Here is my list of what sort of scam came from where:

Senegal

Conference Scam
Employment Scam
Love Scammer
Next-of-Kin X 2
Orphan with Inheritance
Orphan Refugee with Inheritance X 31
Widow with Inheritance X 2
And one undiscovered before discontinuing, possibly going to be Stranded without money

Nigeria

Charity Scam
Compensation for Scam
Dying Reverend
Dying Widow X 3
Grant Scam X 2
Lottery Scam
Love Scammer X 18
Next-of-Kin X 7
Unclaimed money in Bank


Cote d'Ivoire

Dying Widow X 5
Love Scammer
Orphan with Inheritance X 4
Orphan Refugee with Inheritance X 2

Ghana

Charity Scam
Healing Scam
Love Scammer X 3
Next-of-Kin
Non-orphaned Refugee with Inheritance
Orphan Refugee with Inheritance
Stranded in need of money
Suffering Orphan Refugee (no inheritance)

Togo

Love Scammer X 3
Money Transfer (stolen money)
Next-of-Kin
Non-orphaned Refugee with Inheritance
Orphan Refugee with Inheritance

Benin

Compensation for Scam
Consignment with Couriers
Love Scammer
Suffering Orphan Refugee

Guinea-Bissau

Conference Scam
Job Vacancy Scam

South Africa

Love Scammer
Next-of-Kin

Spain

Dying Widow
Lottery Scam

Gabon: Stranded in need of money

Guyana
: Love Scammer

China: Love Scammer

Malaysia: Next-of-Kin

India: Love Scammer

Monaco: Dying Widow

Russia: Presumed Love Scammer

Netherlands: Employment Scam

UK: Consignment with Couriers

Unknown Source

Charity Scam
Consignment with Couriers
Grant Scam X 2
Love Scammer X 6
Next-of-Kin X 2
Orphan with Inheritance

These are the ones I have responded to, so, yes, they do reflect my choices and preferences as well as country of origin.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:44 am Reply with quoteBack to top

HarvestMoon wrote:
Interesting how Branwen's experience shows the most from Senegal. I wonder if that is because you generally respond to a certain kind of lad/scam.

if you reply to one scammer, you will get more emails from other lads.
and they will be scammers who know the first scammer.
so maybe that is another factor for the bias towards senegal.
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:30 am Reply with quoteBack to top

R2 is right, there will be some biases for all of us, not just from natural statistical variation, but also from where we seeded when and how, it would be fascinating to see the aggregations over bigger numbers. Maybe from surplus too?

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Good idea about Surplus. I'll do it, I love listmaking, and I've got all day more-or-less free, with only one character to write to Lads, as the others are either at work or conveniently out for the day (due to their Lads expecting to pick up the non-existant bank transfers - they can wail all day at the unattended mailboxes). I imagine it will take many hours, what with checking the mails in order to categorize them, and checking the IP addresses when the country of origin hasn't already been given. But I'll enjoy it. Statistics later!

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:04 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Unfortunately, the figure is always going to be corrupt as there are way too many variables. Branwen's figures for Senegal show this.

Statistically, there are many more lads in Nigeria than there are elsewhere.
The problem is that you won't necessarily be dealing with them as they're not personally sending you the mail or they might not come into play until further down the line.

Take a lad operating in somewhere like the UK or US for example.
What you're going to see is his IP. What you're not going to see is the team that he uses for garnering addresses, supplying accounts, formats, etc. And it also wouldn't take into account those lads who come into play further down the line. In my experience, for every lad in the West, there are dozens working for him out in Nigeria.

You've also got to analyse where the lad is getting your address from. For example, Branwen is getting a lot of Senegal lads. In my experience, Senegal sits firmly behind Nigeria, Ghana and the Ivory Coast for number of lads. So you'd have to look at where Branwen has seeded his address and why Senegal lads seem to be the ones getting hold of it. Possibly this is because it's being shared amongst the Senegal lad community. If this is the case, one could expect the same sort of hit on Nigerian lads, Ghana lads, etc if those other groups were passing his address round and this would mean that you're not really getting a true figure.

Even going to Surplus is not going to give that great an indicator. You've got to take into account the ways that those emails are gathered. AFAIK, most Eater members use the guestbook trick. So you'll probably find that a lot of those lads come from the first dozen or so guestbooks that come up on Google. If we speculate that those Guestbooks are targetted specifically by Ivory Coast lads, we're going to end up with the false figure for Ivory Coast lads being the biggest scamming group.

Like I said: too many variables. Not that you shouldn't try collating the figures, but just don't put too much faith in them.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:22 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh, I agree: interesting, but meaningless.

Or meaninglessly interesting.

I'm entertaining myself with my listing from Surplus anyway!

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Results of Lad Locations in Surplus

After omitting all those in foreign languages, with no IP address, confusing (to me!) headers, Gmail or Microsoft/Hotmail IPs, satellite providers, and suspected or confirmed Proxys, I listed 332 mails.

These were from:

Nigeria - 34%
Benin - 7%
Cote d'Ivoire - 7%
Ghana - 7%
USA - 7%
Burkina Faso - 5%
China - 4%
Uk - 4%
South Africa - 3%
Spain - 3%
And 30 other countries at 2% or less

As for what comes from where, I think the easiest thing to say is you can receive anything from anywhere! Still, here are the figures:

ATM Scam
17 X Nigeria
2 X Benin
1 X Austria
1 X Denmark
1 X USA

Award/Donation/Grant Scam
3 X Nigeria
1 X France
1 X Germany
1 X Ghana

Business Agents/Reps Wanted
2 X Canada

Charity Scam
1 X Cote d'Ivoire

Cheque in Transit
1 X Benin

Cheque Handling Scam
12 X Nigeria
6 X UK
4 X China
2 X USA
1 X Australia
1 X Denmark
1 X Italy
1 X Russia
1 X Spain
1 X Taiwan

Compensation for Past Efforts
2 X Benin
2 X Cote d'Ivoire
2 X Nigeria
1 X Senegal
1 X USA

Compensation for Scam
4 X Nigeria
2 X Benin
2 X UK
1 X Germany

Consignment with Courier
8 X Benin
2 X Nigeria
1 X Ghana

Donation of Veterinary Equipment

1 X Nigeria

Dying Widow/er
4 X Cote d'Ivoire
4 X Nigeria
2 X Burkina Faso
2 X Germany
2 X South Africa
2 X USA
2 X Venezuela
1 X Bangladesh
1 X France
1 X India
1 X UK

Employment Scam (not handling cheques)
1 X China
1 X Republic of Cape Verde
1 X Senegal

Fund Awaiting Confirmation/Verification/Fee
12 X Nigeria
1 X Italy
1 X Malyasia
1 X Ukraine

Gold Dust For Sale
4 X Ghana

Investment Proposal
3 X Nigeria
1 X Benin
1 X Ghana
1 X Italy
1 X Malaysia
1 X South Africa

Loan Offer
3 X Nigeria
1 X China
1 X South Africa
1 X USA

Lottery
8 X Nigeria
4 X Spain
4 X USA
3 X China
2 X Ghana
2 X Netherlands
1 X Australia
1 X Indonesia
1 X Italy
1 X Malyasia
1 X Mexico
1 X Nicaragua
1 X Thailand

Lottery Rigging
1 X USA

WU/MG Pick-up Scam
3 X Nigeria
2 X Benin
1 X Ireland
1 X UK

MTCNs For Sale
1 X Ghana

Next-of-Kin
16 X Nigeria
10 X Burkina Faso
4 X Benin
4 X Ghana
3 X Cote d'Ivoire
3 X USA
2 X South Africa
1 X Belgium
1 X Cambodia
1 X China
1 X Germany
1 X Guadeloupe
1 X Malyasia
1 X Phillipines
1 X Russia
1 X Senegal
1 X Spain
1 X UK

Orphan with Inheritance
10 X Cote d'Ivoire
2 X Ghana
2 X Senegal
1 X Burkina Faso
1 X Italy
1 X Luxembourg
1 X Mexico
1 X USA
1 X Venezuela

Property Search/Mention of Paid Funds
1 X Spain

Puppy Scam
1 X China

Recovery Scam
8 X Nigeria
1 X China

Requesting Help with Money Transfer from Bank
9 X Nigeria
6 X Ghana
3 X USA
2 X Benin
2 X Burkina Faso
2 X South Africa
1 X Burkina Faso
1 X China
1 X Cote d'Ivoire
1 X Hungary
1 X India
1 X Indonesia
1 X Spain
1 X UK

Requesting Help with Money Transfer by Military Man
3 X Nigeria
2 X Thailand
1 X Spain
1 X USA

Someone is After Your Money
2 X Nigeria
1 X Australia

Supplier Opportunity
1 X USA

Tax Relief for Americans
1 X Netherlands

Unspecified Business Proposal
2 X USA
1 X Ireland
1 X Netherlands
1 X Nigeria
1 X Uganda
1 X UK

Visa Scam
1 X Taiwan

Widow (not dying) with Inheritance
2 X Cote d'Ivoire
1 X Czech Republic
1 X Burkina Faso
1 X Ghana
1 X Nigeria

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I don't want to guess the number - But, lad, isn't that the best fun to be had with MoneyGram reference numbers?
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Nice work, Branwen! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Wow, thanks for the statistics, Branwen. I'm sure that took a while.
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 7:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

very intresting thanks everyone thats given me some idea now
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