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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Over my semi-short baiting career, I have baited many lads with the offer of 20% in return for their help retrieving their millions. I have tried and have seen many other baiters try in vain to get the lads to change that percentage to no avail. Even though they know there is nothing there, I've seen some so adamant it's almost unbelievable. Rolling Eyes

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Dearest,

Many thanks for your prompt response to my mail and I strongly believed that this is a starting of a lasting good relationship between you and me.

Like I did stated in my first mail to you that the fund is presently in a suspense account here in a Bank in Abidjan, so I will want you to stand as the beneficiary of the fund. And after the Bank have transferred the fund into your Bank account you will then assist me to come over to your country in order to further my Education as my late Father made me to sworn to him that I must not fail to conclude my education come what may.

In further explanation about me, my father was a Local Chief and when he was still alive. Then I have every thing I needed and never know that I will be in the situation I found my self now.

I want you to take full control over this transaction as I don't know any thing concerning international transaction and do not know what will be required to achieve this transaction. I want you to assist me in making sure that every thing is done properly and legally too. I will offer you 20% of the funds for your help and set out 5% to cover any expenses including taxes in your country.
Then help me in investing the balance in good business venture in your country.

At this junction, I will like you to send to me your complete name and address, Telephone Number, profession and your age, this will assist me sworn an affidavit of oat at the High Court of Abidjan stating that I am transferring the ownership of the fund to you as the rightful beneficiary. After my swearing the Affidavit at the Court, I will send you all information about the money so that you can contact the bank and ask the Bank to transfer the money to your account in your country, also along with the Deposit Certificate which the Bank issued to my late father upon his depositing of the fund with them.
Expecting your understanding/ co-operation.

Thanks and God Bless.

Best regards,

Miss Vivian Edward


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HI Vivian, I have read your mail but it's not clear. Why do I only get 20%? That hardly seems fair. I can't do this for less than 25%.

Barry


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Dearest,

Many thanks for your prompt response to my mail and I strongly believed that this is a starting of a lasting good relationship between you and me.

Like I did stated in my first mail to you that the fund is presently in a suspense account here in a Bank in Abidjan, so I will want you to stand as the beneficiary of the fund. And after the Bank have transferred the fund into your Bank account you will then assist me to come over to your country in order to further my Education as my late Father made me to sworn to him that I must not fail to conclude my education come what may.

In further explanation about me, my father was a Local Chief and when he was still alive. Then I have every thing I needed and never know that I will be in the situation I found my self now.

I want you to take full control over this transaction as I don't know any thing concerning international transaction and do not know what will be required to achieve this transaction. I want you to assist me in making sure that every thing is done properly and legally too. I will offer you 20% of the funds for your help and set out 5% to cover any expenses including taxes in your country.
Then help me in investing the balance in good business venture in your country.

At this junction, I will like you to send to me your complete name and address, Telephone Number, profession and your age, this will assist me sworn an affidavit of oat at the High Court of Abidjan stating that I am transferring the ownership of the fund to you as the rightful beneficiary. After my swearing the Affidavit at the Court, I will send you all information about the money so that you can contact the bank and ask the Bank to transfer the money to your account in your country, also along with the Deposit Certificate which the Bank issued to my late father upon his depositing of the fund with them.
Expecting your understanding/ co-operation.

Thanks and God Bless.

Best regards,

Miss Vivian Edward


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Thank you for your email madam. Until you agree to 25% I will only send you a portion of my informations. I am Barry Emalive and I live in upstate New York in the United States. I am an industry analyst. I look forward to working with you as long as you agree to my terms.


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Dear Barry,

Thanks for your mail, you are the person that will gain more because as soon as the money gets into your account you will invest it into any good growing business and you will be in charge, so you see that apart from the 20% you get you will still be in charge of the total money. And even when you make planes for me to come to your country you will still be in charge because I will be going to school.

I hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks God bless you.

Vivian.



I didn't think they'd actually give in, so I'd figure why not make them do some work for me.
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Can you please name me growing businesses? They are all laying off thousands every day. I have yet to find one that would be a sustainable future. Please give me some examples of some growing companies that I can invest it in. Else, I will need to make the full 25% on this as you can see why.

Barry


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Email Subject: OK!
Dear,
I don’t know of any business, OK you want the 25% you have it. I just want to get the money out of the bank into your account for you to get me out of this country.

So send me that information I ask of you so that I can go to the court to swear the oath.

Thanks.
Vivian


Something tells me the future barrister(s) will be pulling their hair out dealing with shrewd Barry Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:34 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I always negotiate a standing 50% - I think you can get more. Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

That's a good idea NN, after all I'm putting up the capital. I'll increase it as a penalty when I burn through the foul barristers.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

"seen many other baiters try in vain to get the lads to change that percentage"

Its really strange isn't it? They treat it as if it were real money. On an initial letter I was offered 30% or so of a multi million dollar fortune and I asked if I could have 40%. I got an email back, begging, pleading even not to do this to him. He said the increased percentage would cripple him financially and he just wouldn't budge. Sometimes you have to wonder if they believe their own stories?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ Yeah, you would think they would even go to 99% just to be able to nail you with the fees anyway.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^Can you send me her email address? I'd like to offer to do it for 24%. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Of course as it becomes harder to raise the finance in the global environment and markets you could hold the MTCN to ransom for 50% Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I think it comes down to control and lad ego. Lads need to be in control and once you start negotiating the percentage early in the bait it throws them off script.. In my experience, they view you as "not serious in this business" and ditch you for easier meat.

I just find it funny that they argue the toss about percentages of something that they know doesn't exist.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Something that's puzzled me is why do they choose the initial sum to be such an astronomical figure such as $25,000,000 or $16.8 million and so on, why not pick a more realistic figure of say $500,000 or even less - after all it's free money for the vic.

Is it that they all consider us (as in westerners etc) to be so rich that only a massive figure would be sufficient enough to draw us in with our un-controllable greed ?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I think the astronomical numbers are to play on peoples dreams of hitting it big. We don't dream of hitting the lotto for 2,000 but 2,000,000 now you're talking! Not to mention they want their fees to be in the thousands and you can't do that if the total amount is almost the same amount.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yeh I see what you're saying regarding their % etc. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

maybe something like.

Hey, I am a rich man. I make million dollar deals everyday. Your 20% is not enough for my time. Besides because of the new administration in office I will have to pay more in taxes and my take home will probably be only about $1000. I need more than that. Up my take to 95% or I am walking.

... they will salivate over the riches. And you will have excuses for all kinds of tax related forms.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

My new lad seems to be willing to negotiate.... lets see how far he's willing to go after I run into extra "document fees" when preparing for the transaction...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

pfft, just give him the percentage of the MTCN that he's offering you in trunkbox money. I.E. 25% of the money gets him 2.5 numbers of the mtcn.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Laughing I once managed to get my share up to 95% whilst live baiting on YIM , I'll see if I can the chat snippet, it's on here somewhere, but where, hmmm.

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Found it, it was 97% not 95 Laughing, christ, it was way back in january 2005 Shocked:

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I'm Barbara:

goodhealthiswealth: and beside barbara how much percentage do u want

barbara_a_collins: percentage of the money?

goodhealthiswealth: what percenatge do u want out of this deal

barbara_a_collins: oh i understand you now

goodhealthiswealth: ok

barbara_a_collins: i would like 90% and 10% for you
barbara_a_collins: no sorry
barbara_a_collins: i made mistake
barbara_a_collins: 97% for me and 3% for you
barbara_a_collins: is that ok with you?
barbara_a_collins: as i will be putting all of the money into this deal


goodhealthiswealth: let do it this way 50 50

barbara_a_collins: no

goodhealthiswealth: 60 40

barbara_a_collins: i want 97% because it will be my money in this deal

goodhealthiswealth: ok


barbara_a_collins: is that a deal then 97% and 3% for you, that is still a lot of money willy

goodhealthiswealth: listen barbara

barbara_a_collins: yes

goodhealthiswealth: 60 for u and 40 for me


barbara_a_collins: no way willy

goodhealthiswealth: undertsnd me

barbara_a_collins: ok, how about

goodhealthiswealth: 70 for u and 30 ffor m,e

barbara_a_collins: 95% for me and 5% for you, thats even more for you isn't it

barbara_a_collins: thats still 1.5 million you will get, dont be greedy willy

goodhealthiswealth: ok i accpt, is that a deal

barbara_a_collins: good, you drive a hard bargain
barbara_a_collins: yes thats a deal
barbara_a_collins: 97% for me and 3% for you


goodhealthiswealth: u have not send the information to my mail box

barbara_a_collins: sorry, i didnt think you meant now

goodhealthiswealth: no 95 for u and 5 for me

barbara_a_collins: i want 97% or NO deal

goodhealthiswealth: ok

barbara_a_collins: you make me work hard, have you ever worked in a market, hard bargaining, i like you doing that, makes for good business

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I never argue with percentages.

If the Lad wants 80%, then when the invoice arrives for the payment I slap him around for his 80% of the fees needed to release the funds.

That way I get to see the whiny, excuse filled mails about how a high powered barrister and a high paid banker suddenly have no money... Laughing

I love the wife is in the hospital and the kid needs an operation excuses since that opens doors to new modalities about contacting the hospital to send flowers and such.

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