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high-seas-piracy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I got an email the other day from a [email protected] Vale saying that he represents the Orchard Vale Trust, based in the UK.

It started out as a check-cashing scam and after I didn't bite he turned it into a 419. The full bait will come as soon as I start to get some real action.

His email traced back to Steisel, Luxembourg.

My question is this: I looked up the Orchard Vale Trust on Google and the NPO itself looks pretty legit. They seem to provide care for learning-disabled kids in the UK (acording to the web site). "[email protected] Vale" sent his email asking for funds to help cure heart disease.

I'm wondering if this org is legit. As I said, the website mentions nothing about what my scammer is looking for money for.

If it's real I want to send the guys an email, let them know they are being used as part of a scam to make the lad take their URL out of his emails.

If they're not, I want to take down the website.

Anybody got any insight here?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Why not drop the link here and I'll show you how you can check it?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

My guess he's piggybacking off their site. Basically, using a legit site to make money that would have gone to a good cause.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The best way for a bona-fide website to cope with that is to put a warning on their home page. There's no point in them contacting him; he'll laugh at them. Likewise closing down his email account will just have him opening another that you don't know about.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I don't want his address closed down (he's my current project Twisted Evil ), and he isn't running his email through them so thats not a problem.

The link posted in his email is www.orchardvaletrust.org.uk.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It shows a warning, though only on donation page.

PLEASE NOTE: We do not conduct fundraising appeals through our website or by email. Any contact received in this way is fraudulent.

edit - to add looks perfectly legit, but perhaps contact a mod.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sounds like a case of piggybacking to me but i am on my cellphone at work so i will let one of the site experts look at it.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I guess my real question is this:

Do you think I am safe using the "Contact Us" form on the website to send an alert about the scammer, or will that scare off my lad?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Let a site expert look at the site first and see what they have to say.

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Safari = Rev. JB Johnson. Lome to Parakou "i thought it will just be a day jouney. unknowingly to me that it will last up to one week."
Safari2 = Harrison: Owerri, Nigeria to Cotonou, Benin and Accra, Ghana "i know ive been a sucker for twat "
Safari = (Group safari) Oy3nka Ch1dinma: Lagos to Cotonou: "Thank you so much for the embrassment."
Safari = Group safari - Dan Nkwerre: Port Harcourt to Abeche, Chad
Safari2 = Barr. Mustapha Marlick: Lome, Togo to Abuja Nigeria and Accra, Ghana.
pony Mortar x15 (some survived) Closed lad accounts x280 T.W.A.T Nurse Nastys Audi TT United States
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This domain seems legit. Registered 9 years ago, the WHOIS information checks out with the address on the website. Indeed the lad is piggybacking on a real organisation.

Quote:
canonical name orchardvaletrust.org.uk.
aliases
addresses 213.171.219.247
Domain Whois record

Queried whois.nic.uk with "orchardvaletrust.org.uk"...

Domain name:
orchardvaletrust.org.uk

Registrant:
Orchard Vale Trust

Registrant type:
UK Registered Charity, (Charity number: 326940)

Registrant's address:
Orchard Vale Trust

East Court

Doctor's Hill
Wookey
Wells
Somerset
BA5 1AR
GB

Registrar:
Fasthosts Internet Ltd [Tag = FASTHOSTS]
URL: http://www.fasthosts.co.uk

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 16-Apr-2000
Renewal date: 16-Apr-2010
Last updated: 18-Mar-2008

Registration status:
Registered until renewal date.

Name servers:
ns1.livedns.co.uk
ns2.livedns.co.uk

WHOIS lookup made at 20:30:54 02-Feb-2009


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

http://webwhois.nic.uk/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?query=orchardvaletrust.org.uk&WHOIS+Submit.x=42&WHOIS+Submit.y=10

seems authentic, according to registration.....

edit: you beat me to it Razz

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high-seas-piracy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

KK, thanks guys. Keep an eye out for the scam posting soon. This one looks like a good trophy machine.

Edit: Warning sent via the website's Contact form.

Quote:
Just a heads up. I am a member of 419eater.com, a website devoted to taking down email scammers.

Recently I have been receiving emails from a man calling himself [email protected] [email protected] and claiming to be associated with your organization. He is trying to solicit donations.

In the email he includes a link to your website, adding credibility to his mock-up story. The link goes directly to your homepage, and someone unfamiliar with this type of scam could easily fall for the false connection. Many would not make it to your donation page and read the warning there.

I urge you to copy the warning about email solicitations onto your homepage (the page with the Google search function) as well. I am dealing with the scammer now and hopefully I will be able to shut him down temporarily, but others may be using the same trick he is.

Again, please consider adding a warning message to your home page.

Regards,
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

When he asks for money it will be so easy to send it to the real organisation. Will piss him off no end. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sending the money to the real charity will really put him over the edge. If you need help torturing him, let me know. You know how I hate charity scammers.

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Safari2 = Harrison: Owerri, Nigeria to Cotonou, Benin and Accra, Ghana "i know ive been a sucker for twat "
Safari = (Group safari) Oy3nka Ch1dinma: Lagos to Cotonou: "Thank you so much for the embrassment."
Safari = Group safari - Dan Nkwerre: Port Harcourt to Abeche, Chad
Safari2 = Barr. Mustapha Marlick: Lome, Togo to Abuja Nigeria and Accra, Ghana.
pony Mortar x15 (some survived) Closed lad accounts x280 T.W.A.T Nurse Nastys Audi TT United States
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@SSA - Will do. I think this one will reach a point where I'll need to call on you for guidance. Right now I'm just in the prelim stages. Who knows? May even turn into a massbait if the lad is real icky. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

piggybacking charities is pure shitty Sad Give him hell!

I think your email to the real charity was a good one, maybe next time mention scamwarners too - and suggest they can put a link to scamwarners.com in their warning if they like (scamwarners is like our unevil alter ego), just in case anyone falls for the scammer.

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