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Whey_Aye_Banzai
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

to put some money into.

It's from an American whose stuck in Nigeria with no money and I'm helping him out. I don't know anything about Western Union Money Gram Banks, but I've got the cash waiting and do internet banking.

But as I say, I've got all the bank details; the bank account holder is a J0hn Pau] (just in case it rings any bells).

I've the Account number, sort code, account name, IBAN Number (what-ever that is?), name and address of the bank.

Does anyone here want to know what they are? I'm sure I've read somewhere about bank accounts getting investigated if they're used for scamming purposes.

I've had a look round the stickies, but can't find an answer.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Either post the details here or pm them to one of our Moderators and we'll be able to make a decision about what to do based on the quality of the information you have.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119780
Is the sticky you're looking for.

I'd pass them to a Moderator though if you don't know the usual modalities, they can usually tell if it's a genuine account.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This is the e-mail:

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11th October 2008

I just showed your mail to the accountant and asked that she provide alternative methods of recieving the money.

She said that the only available option now is to have the money sent to the UK account of the UK liaison officer of the hotel who is presently on holidays in the UK and that he'll immediately have the money sent to the hotel as soon as he confirms it.

PLEASE DIRECT THE MONEY TO;

NAME OF BANK: NATIONWIDE BANK,

BENEFICIARY'S NAME: Mr J0hn Pau].

ACCOUNT NUMBER: 46412839.

SORT CODE: 074456.

IBAN NUMBER: GB46NAIA07011646412839.

BIC: MIDLGB22.

ADDRESS: PO BOX 2098, SWINDON, SN1 5TY UK.

Please send me an email as soon as you have done the wire transfer.

Thank you again for the assistance and for your words of enmcouragement, God bless you abundantly.

Regards,

J0hn M. C0rne].
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Whey_Aye
have just sent you a PM with instructions of how to get to the headers of the mail so people here can tell you where it really came from.
at the top of the page look for 'messages (new)' to get to the PM

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

If this is a scam and you know that its a scam outright and have emails going back and forth, then the account is reported (see the link Mugatu posted)

Once done, get yourself a piggy bank icon in your sig line.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It's a Nationwide flexaccount sort code and the account number is the correct format. I'm sure a Mod will look after that from there....

Good spot Whey_Aye. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Right,

Here's the full e-mail; I hope it's what you're after; it's all Chinese to me though:

--------------------------------
Delivered-To: whey-aye-banzai
Received: by 10.103.252.13 with SMTP id e13cs60797mus;
Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.150.227.14 with SMTP id z14mr4877287ybg.120.1223757286592;
Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:34:46 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <my lads e-mail>
Received: from bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.201])
by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 1si8593374gxk.85.2008.10.11.13.34.45;
Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:34:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of (my lad's email) designates 65.54.246.201 as permitted sender) client-ip=65.54.246.201;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of (fuck, my lad's email again) designates 65.54.246.201 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=my lads e-mail.
Received: from BAY113-W41 ([65.54.168.141]) by bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:34:45 -0700
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Return-Path: (my lad's e-mail; is it important I delete it all the time?)

X-Originating-IP: [203.188.235.13]
From: J0hn Corne]] <again!!!!>
To: Why-Aye-Banzai>
Subject: RE: HOW CAN I HELP?
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:34:45 +0000

11th October 2008=20

I just showed your mail to the accountant and asked that she provide alternative methods of recieving the money.

She said that the only available option now is to have the money sent to the UK account of the UK liaison officer of the hotel who is presently on holidays in the UK and that he'll immediately have the money sent to the hotel as soon as he confirms it.

PLEASE DIRECT THE MONEY TO=3B

NAME OF BANK: NATIONWIDE BANK=2C

BENEFICIARY'S NAME: Mr John Paul.

ACCOUNT NUMBER: 46412839.

SORT CODE: 074456.

IBAN NUMBER: GB46NAIA07011646412839.

BIC: MIDLGB22.

ADDRESS: PO BOX 2098=2C SWINDON=2C SN1 5TY UK.

Please send me an email as soon as you have done the wire transfer.

Thank you again for the assistance and for your words of enmcouragement=2C =
God bless you abundantly.

---------------------------------------------------------------

I hope I've done the above properly, but I suspect I may have posted a header from my own e-mail???

I've been drinking lager; sorry.
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Whey_Aye_Banzai
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I've just googled for the originating IP and it brought me back to this forum on this post:

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=149256

Added later:

It seems there's some confusion about where this lad is from and where he's operating from.

Can anyone give anything definitive? I'm intriged, especially about the UK bank details.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The email is from Malaysia. I copied the 'chinese' bit and pasted it here Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

So...It's someone in Malaysia pretending to be an American stuck in Africa? Confused

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ With a bank account in the UK, no less. heh

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:16 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It could be true; you lot are all cynics!

For example I’m a Japanese-Geordie (I kid you not); therefore Whey-Aye-Banzai is my name.

And I too have a UK bank account; so there!

Let’s have a bit of trust round here; please.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Just thinking...

Theoretically, wouldn't it be possible for me to set up a Standing Order using the bank details I was supplied with to set up a monthly payment; just a small one; say £10 per month to our tax man?

I've the tax mans sort code and bank details, 'cos I'm self-emp and pay my tax by standing order (otherwise I spend it straight away).

Obviously this would be fraudulent, so I'm just asking from a theoretical point-of-view.

I have a blank standing order form somewhere that would be suitable for any bank.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:26 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^ In theory - it wouldnt last 2 minutes. Lad would close it after the first payment from his end. In reality - very bad idea. Lad would report it to bank, who would contact the reciever, who would contact the police, who would contact you. Or very similar.

All in all, a big no-no.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:48 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ah, but the police couldn't contact me, since I wouldn't be daft enough to put any of my details on the form.

Standing Order forms are relatively simple things; and it'd just bugger the person who owned the account about.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

We don't send lads anything they could use on a real vic... i guess that includes the money-let alone a genuine form of sorts.

As for buggering the person whose account it is-that's what alan is here for.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sigh!

Who is going to send the lad anything? Not me! Do you think I could possibly send a standing order form to my lad and ask him to sign it and post it to his bank?

Look, it works like this: I fill in a generic standing order form using the lad's bank details, put in HMG Tax Man's sort code and account number as the receiver; state the amount and the frequency and stick a signature (that no-one ever checks) where my lad should sign; AND POST IT TO HIS BANK!

Remember, it's a real UK bank; I've the address sort code, account number; the lot! Obviously I couldn't put my bank details down as the 'receiver', 'cos that would be traceable; but the tax man's details would be fine.

It's simple.

So then a month later my lad checks his bank statement, thinks, 'Hey, what's this £50 a month standing order for?', and then has to go making phone calls to stop it and get his money back.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I think I've just been rumbled by my lad anyway; I did pretty much a straight bait and he recognised the format.

(I told him I would wire transfer the money into the UK bank he wanted me to; but then I had problems; and the receiver (based in the hotel but on holiday in the UK) had to fill in a 'security questionairre before I could transfer the cash).

I've just got an e-mail from him saying:

Quote:
12th October 2008

> Tom,
> Sometimes, I just wonder.

> Regards,
> JOhn M.
> Corne))

So it looks like he's forcing my hand to do the standing order thing!

As a last attempt to keep him, I've not shown my cards.
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