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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

LotsaLove wrote:
There is nothing he/she can do to make me feel any type of guilt for what type of problems scammers get themselves into:



I'm not trying to make you feel guilt at all, that is in no way my intention. I'm just suggesting people need to be more honest about their motivations for baiting.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Edrondol wrote:

The victims are (usually - I don't want to make sweeping generalities) desperate. Old people who use their meager pensions to try and get money to live in comfort. Single moms who live month to month who just want to get ahead.



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I believe most have honestly told you why they bait. The problem seems to be that you want their reasons to jive with what you think.

I bait because I despise these thieving low life bastards.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

DirtMcGirt wrote:
I'm not trying to make you feel guilt at all, that is in no way my intention. I'm just suggesting people need to be more honest about their motivations for baiting.


That is not what you are saying. You are asking us all to admit that we are motivated by your singular assumption about what our motives must be. That's crap. We all have different motives, in different degrees.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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I have called no one any names, I have been extremely civil in every post I've made. And yet you keep attacking me in personal and angry ways. You really do need to take a hard look into the emotional problem mirror.


You called victims stupid, greedy, etc. That's what got everyone so angry. Call us every name you want (and you did call us sadists). Trust me, I don't care. We have been called a lot. The problem is, you came in generalizing on victims, about which you know nothing. There lies the problem.

And you did hurt my feelings by not commenting on my nativity post. Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I suspect that people here have many different motives.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Slightlyoutofit wrote:
Edrondol wrote:

The victims are (usually - I don't want to make sweeping generalities) desperate. Old people who use their meager pensions to try and get money to live in comfort. Single moms who live month to month who just want to get ahead.



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Edrondol... What a great 1st post, Welcome

@ The other fella..... Probably best you stop now

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@Edrondol: Hi "Guest", glad you finally registered. Welcome to Eater!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

bombardier wrote:


@ The other fella..... Probably best you stop now


I don't think it's a case of stop.
It's a case of wake up and see reality as it really is.

@DirtMcGirt. If you want to be taken seriously and if you want to know about the subject and be able to debate properly about it, then start baiting. Don't come with the "I'm too lazy" crap.

Bait and you'll find out why you're being laughed at. Then give it a couple of months and you'll wake up and smell the coffee and that sadistic streak will be gone because you'll have used it all up in a few days.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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@Dirt: I'm not taking it personally. Why would you pick my sarcastic joke to comment on?



Because that sarcastic jokeheld the kernel of truth that you were personalizing my comments. I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't trying to attack you, personally, with the suggestion that this site is potential resource for scammers.


Also, to the person who used the pencil metaphor. Usually that metaphor is used for gun control, and it's just as flimsy in this case. When making a honest risk to reward analysis, of gun use or this website, you have to be honest about the risks as well as the rewards.


And really, I think that this site being a resource for scammers is a small risk, I just wanted it as food for thought for everyone who thinks this site does 100 percent good. There's a cost for every action, much less the morally murky waters of baiting.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Still no mention of my nativity scene. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad X like a trillion

I do have feelings you know.

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We've been doing this for years and are fully aware of the risks. The good far outweighs the risk of a lad learning something here. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^ That was because your nativity scene joke was shite.

Now get back into your basket.

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Because that sarcastic jokeheld the kernel of truth that you were personalizing my comments.


Again, you are making assumptions. I was simply being a smart ass.

The treatment you are getting here is because you continue to make assertions of facts based on your opinions and sweeping generalizations.

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You called victims stupid, greedy, etc. That's what got everyone so angry. Call us every name you want (and you did call us sadists). Trust me, I don't care. We have been called a lot. The problem is, you came in generalizing on victims, about which you know nothing. There lies the problem.

And you did hurt my feelings by not commenting on my nativity post. Crying or Very sad



I didn't mean to use sadism as a pejorative, just as a descriptive. You might take the word to be insulting, but it wasn't my intention.


I think I missed your nativity post... did it involve a manger and three wise men?
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@Edrondol: Hi "Guest", glad you finally registered. Welcome to Eater!


Yes, and Hi and welcome to McDirt as well. get yourself a mentor, read the stickies, bait safe. Great to have you aboard. Read along in the enormous Eater post archives, and when you're done, read them again before you ever post again. Maybe you get an idea what kind of community you entered today. my guess your perspective will be changed quite a lot by that time..

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Last thing at the bottom: http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1225865#1225865

I need attention. Laughing I have a low self esteem and need to be acknowledged.

Okay, so, he says he didn't mean sadistic as a bad thing. Fair enough.

What about the whole vic generalization?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

DirtMcGirt wrote:
You can say that it's to educate people, but a scammer can easily go through those own forums to get ideas. You also give extremely detailed descriptions of your own baits, going into great detail about the tactics used..


If Eater became a sort of educational source for scammers, it would just make everything more interesting. However, it will never happen. The lads are too poor to spend their time here. Most of them are also too stupid.

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You never know how you will behave when you fall upon hard times, until you fall upon them.


That's true, unless you have fallen upon hard times. You may think that baiters are teenagers who haven't tasted any real life. The more you get to know other members here, the more you see they are responsible grown-ups who have had many problems, setbacks and even catastrophes in their personal lives. If their reaction was to start scamming, they wouldn't hang around here.

Anyhow, I do agree with you on human nature. We people commit horrible crimes. Baiting is one response to crime. It is not the only one and it is not the perfect one but it is a response (and it is fun Very Happy). You can find your own response.

And honestly, usually the baited scammers are not hurt at all by us. They just keep away from real victims for awile. In my opinion, it is good from all points of view.

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dutchbait wrote:
my guess your perspective will be changed quite a lot by that time..



If you think me reading over every thread in this forum will cause me to suddenly bloom a huge sympathy for the victim's of scammers, and a ardent belief in the righteousness of the baiter's cause, you're barking up the wrong tree. The biggest potential upside for me in scouring the archives is amusement
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Nobody said 100% of the people here are altruistic. You just assumed we all thought that and needed correcting. We can disagree about the cost/benefit analysis of the site, but even you would probably have to conceed the site has probably saved more people from being scammed than contributed to scamming.
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DirtMcGirt wrote:



I didn't mean to use sadism as a pejorative, just as a descriptive. You might take the word to be insulting, but it wasn't my intention.


It's hard to take it as having any other meaning but insulting. And I could add that your continued insistence upon it did you no favours. But whatever.

As stated, if you really want to know why we do what we do, probably the only way to get a good understanding is to do it yourself. I'm in danger of generalising here myself but there are lots of different perspectives and sadism isn't really in the majority. A person with a sadistic outlook would probably soon get bored at how tedious the vast majority of baiting actually can be.

Jojo and YW will tell you that they're sadists but that's only to make themselves look big when compared to me. In reality they're little girly shirtlifters who wept in misery all the way through their Chad bait.

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Slightly is wicked. Look at that lone ranger safari in his siggy. Laughing

Still nothing (by McGrit). Crying or Very sad

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capricio wrote:
Nobody said 100% of the people here are altruistic. You just assumed we all thought that and needed correcting. We can disagree about the cost/benefit analysis of the site, but even you would probably have to conceed the site has probably saved more people from being scammed than contributed to scamming.



And agian, there's a difference between providing a resource for educating about scams, and to shut down scamming websites, and with baiting. It's really the baiting itself that I think is morally murky. It's the scamming of the scammers, and actively trying to mentally, emotionally and physically hurt them that is the interesting thing on this website, it's the motivation for baiting, that I think people here are in denial about. I'm sorry if I painted too broad of a brush with some of my statements, I should have been more clear.
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Again, many members have many different motivations for baiting.

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