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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

bombardier wrote:

If they did or didn't so what? the lad is responsible for his own actions therefore he would be responsible if he happened to get slotted in the process.


Couldn't the scammer use the same form of logic for their victims? Aren't the victims responsible for their own actions? The scammer's aren't putting guns to their heads, and making them write checks.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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But when I have avenged a love one, I was not such a fool as to confuse vengeance with justice.


Maybe you need to go and look up the dictionary definition of "Vengeance".

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infliction of injury, harm, humiliation, or the like, on a person by another who has been harmed by that person


That sure as hell looks like handing out a form of justice to me.

As for trying to get the lads killed? That has nothing to do with the statement you made nor with my reply.

If you want to discuss the "Getting them killed" aspect then come out and say it. Don't hide behind wordplay and suddenly drag it up when you think you can gain a point. It's boring and not very clever.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

DirtMcGirt wrote:
bombardier wrote:

If they did or didn't so what? the lad is responsible for his own actions therefore he would be responsible if he happened to get slotted in the process.


Couldn't the scammer use the same form of logic for their victims? Aren't the victims responsible for their own actions? The scammer's aren't putting guns to their heads, and making them write checks.


The victims are responsible. They pay the costs, you know. They are VICTIMS. They may suffer till the end of their life.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ima Baeder wrote:

Did you see Lotta's or ScamPatroller's posts with links to the victim's stories?

Here's another one: http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=860


Okay, those guys are obviously violent criminals. However, I feel no sympathy for that victim what so ever. I think that person was incredibly foolish and stupid to have fallen for that scam, and to have flown to south africa. It was either greed, stupidity, or a combination of both, that got him to fly to SA in search of that pot of gold. Just as I think Adamu was a fool to travel to spitting distance from Darfur, I think this guy was a fool to go to travel to SA just because he got an email from a stranger.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ref: The block feature.

Can we please have one because this is doing my F%$king head in. Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

DirtMcGirt wrote:

The scammer's aren't putting guns to their heads, and making them write checks.


You're really out of your depth and displaying your ignorance again.
Some of the things the scammers do to their victims to get them to pay are far, far worse than having a gun put to their heads.
But hell, they even do that as well. Go and take a look at the Hitman scams. You really need educating before you put your foot in your mouth again.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It seems like it all breaks down to the question if enjoying other people's suffering can, considering the circumstances, be "morally justifiable" or not.

And to the question if enjoying to see scammers suffer makes you a "sadist", an opinion which some of the baiters here gladly share while others don't.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Slightlyoutofit wrote:
Go and take a look at the Hitman scams.



A friend of mine actually got one of the hit man scam emails about a year ago. We both just laughed about it, because it was obviously absurd.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ To you maybe.
But what about to the little old lady living on her own?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Beat me there mate

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Slightlyoutofit wrote:
^^ To you maybe.
But what about to the little old lady living on her own?


so being a little old lady robs you of your common sense?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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Couldn't the scammer use the same form of logic for their victims? Aren't the victims responsible for their own actions? The scammer's aren't putting guns to their heads, and making them write checks.


Difference? The scammers do not use the same logic. The victims are fooled by criminals. The scammers ARE putting guns to their heads, and pulling the trigger.

You have done no suggested reading by the members here, so go away.

My opinion of you stands. You are a sadistic, callous, asshole troll.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You really are a moron arn't you.

Edit: Not you SH, him above you

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

DirtMcGirt wrote:


so being a little old lady robs you of your common sense?


We can't all reach the lofty heights of intellectualism that you have, Sigmund.

You don't show a lack of empathy for the victims. You show a disdain. Big difference.
Maybe you need to revise the emotional side of your argument.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@jojo

I think you breached the zero tolerance rule on religious discussion by posting that nativity scene picture. You really should know better. Laughing

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Ah, so the note in arabic was altruistic and benevolent. I understand now, thanks for clearing that up.


You should have seen the one in French.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Bombadier - I know you weren't talking about me.
only one moron in this thread, now.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Where's a Mod when you need one? This thread is going nowhere. We already have an ethics thread etc and nothing that is said here will make one scintilla of a difference to Dirt, Jade and the rest of the "moral mazers". They have obviously wandered into the wrong forum.

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Of course i might be wrong. In which case this thread should be on about page 25 when i get up for my brekky.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

DirtMcGirt wrote:
Slightlyoutofit wrote:
^^ To you maybe.
But what about to the little old lady living on her own?


so being a little old lady robs you of your common sense?


No, but being lonely and isolated sometimes does. Plus, scammers know that the elderly are more prone to this sort of thing because (1) some of them are in declining mental health and (2) they are not from an age where people did stuff like this on such a large scale.

Remember that the elderly are largely internet novices who don't know the difference between spam and a legitimate email. Add in the fact that they have no clue what a spam filter is and you have a recipe for financial disaster.

You have raised some valid points, but your admitted lack of empathy has made you sort of a pariah on this board. Kinda like going into a biker bar and arguing that Harleys are pieces of crap. At least here you'll keep your teeth and only be answered in (mostly) educated discourse, but in either event it seems that you are guilty of not knowing your audience.

Or you're a troll.

Either way, nobody is going to take you seriously and your continued arguing is like my trying to get my wife to dress up in a schoolgirl uniform and call me "Professor" - an exercise in futility.

Oh, and IBL. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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The victims are fooled by criminals. The scammers ARE putting guns to their heads, and pulling the trigger.


My opinion of you stands. You are a sadistic, callous, asshole troll.




No, no they really are not. The victims 100 percent have the choice to send checks, or to fly to south africa, or any other thing that they do. There are many reasons that they might chose to believe the scammers, to chose to cut a check, or buy a plain ticket, but it is still a choice, it is not armed robbery.


And your opinion is pretty spot on, really. I am a sadistic, callous asshole.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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Okay, those guys are obviously violent criminals. However, I feel no sympathy for that victim what so ever.


I didn't ask you if you felt any sympathy. You already indicated that you didn't have that capacity. My point was that you said that scammer's targeted physical property, not people. They DO hurt people and not just take their money.

I'm glad that you and your friends can recognize a scam email. Please do help others you know who may not have this knowledge, so that we can prevent more victims.

Many victims are not necessarily in the United States or the UK and wouldn't recognize the same red flags as you.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Actually mate it's... IBTL Wink But another great post

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

DirtMcGirt wrote:
I am a sadistic, callous asshole.


How did you get a callous? Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Edrondol wrote:


You have raised some valid points, but your admitted lack of empathy has made you sort of a pariah on this board. but in either event it seems that you are guilty of not knowing your audience.

Or you're a troll.


I'm probably just a troll. I just found the TAL broadcast to be interesting, and wanted to explore some of what I thought was interesting about it with the baiters. I find this sort of discussion to be interesting, some people find it anger inducing and distressing. Each to their own. I really don't care about how my audience views me, gaining acceptance from strangers isn't a high priority for me.





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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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And your opinion is pretty spot on, really. I am a sadistic, callous asshole.

You forgot to add the "troll" part.
Mods? Remove the troll, please.

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