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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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Don't listen. I liked the old avatar just fine. The new one reminds me of the girls at work.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ His old one reminds me of me before the 2nd divorce

or was that the 3rd one?

Whatever, I lost 110lbs after the last one,

and the house, the car, the stereo................................

But in deference to the OP, I have changed my avatar to one that truly reflects myself

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This is my new avatar. Those are my panties and I'm sticking to them!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

capricio wrote:
I'm not trying to censor anyone or anything,


Balderdash - that is exactly what you are doing . . . .

Had you been around for the past few years you would have seen how this forum has become more and more restrictive in terms of what a member can post. That has resulted in the loss of much of the ribald humour that was so much fun back then. And I regret that!

While I may object to some of what some of the administration of this forum restricts, I do accept that they have the final word.

But I won't accept your lame, convoluted excuse for attempting to censor those who are having a wee bit of fun.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It seems that since this thread has been posted, people have changed their avatars or those with scantily clad women have posted here.

And to be honest, there's not much you can do about it Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

If you're using Firefox, you can install this handy extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/232

It allows you to turn the display of images on and off.

Also, the Opera browser has this capability by default. No idea about Safari or IE, as I'm on a linux box at home and I don't use either of them at work.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

RobotAmish, thanks for the suggestion, and welcome to Eater. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Gold Hat wrote:
Balderdash - that is exactly what you are doing . . . .

Had you been around for the past few years you would have seen how this forum has become more and more restrictive in terms of what a member can post. That has resulted in the loss of much of the ribald humour that was so much fun back then. And I regret that!



I couldn't agree more.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@ Gold Hat and Harry Bawls: does the fact that the mods responding to this request have refused to accede to it, or that nobody has been asked to change avatars, have any impact on your thinking at all? Or is it just that you have chosen a particularly poor thread in which to make the argument? Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@ Eight, point taken.

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I don't want to debate whether or not the site has become more and more restrictive in an effort to please the PC crowd. I don't "own" this site, and as such I really do not have control over it's content. The site has rules, and they need to be followed.

I was simply agreeing with Gold Hat. In "the good ol' days", things were posted that wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of staying posted now. To me, it was a lot more fun then.

I still like Eater a lot, I just choose not to participate much anymore. I poke my head in once in a while to check up on things. I've made many friends here (you included), and want to keep it that way, but wouldn't you agree that things are run much tighter now than it was only 1 year ago?[/rant][/hijack]

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:20 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

YW, I see that you are so socially responsible that you even recycle posts for other people. Laughing

HB, I think that this thread demonstrates rather well that whatever line the mods take, there will be those who think it is too PC and those who think it is not PC enough. Walking that line is what keeps us looking so young and fresh. Or should that read "keeps Pimms shareholders happy"? I forget. Laughing Not that the debate is unwelcome, but better examples would be more useful. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

YW;

I appreciate you using prior posts rather than new ones so all these old posts do not end up in the landfill!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Eight wrote:
Or is it just that you have chosen a particularly poor thread in which to make the argument? Laughing


As usual you make a good point. But when have I ever done things the right way? Laughing

Does anyone remember the avatar of the really, really, really beautiful pair of legs with that darling reaching down to slip off her shear panties? Damn I wish I had a copy of that – who was the member who posted that? I remember both Shiver and I went overboard with praise for that one – BUT – that was in the good old days.

The strength of Eater, no matter how you cut it, is in the wealth of intelligent, creative, twisted, irreverent and individualistic minds that lurk here. Without that somewhat skewed view of life there would be no Eater – no one can argue against that fact. That different approach is the very reason for our success – and our successes have been legion. Therefore it is incumbent on all of us (even the Mods and Admins) to bolster that approach. And that means that individual expression should be encouraged not stultified.

Eight you asked for better examples in the debate – here’s one. Recently I posted this picture of Sarah Palin in General. After a few responses it was summarily deleted by the Rev. Phil MyCrackin – we exchanged friendly PM’s – and the matter was dropped. But my view of the picture was not political – anyone here, with our expertise, could easily see that the photo was chopped – it was intended as an example of just how nuts the discussion on American politics has become. It was intended as a fun thing open for discussion. I have another picture of Obama on a pancake box representing guess who?

But too often now, here at Eater, the personal views of those who control the buttons supersede the honest expression of differing opinion that comes from our unique bunch. Yes, had I characterized Ms. Palin as censored - RC blather as being to the right of Sigh!, then I most definitely should have been censored. But I didn’t – it was just a picture. Wink

And yes . . . the rule that friends should never debate religion or politics is most appropriate here at Eater. But you can’t ask the type of person who frequents this emporium to lock up his brain and stop thinking. These people have something to say – and it can be said well inside the ethereal rules of Eater.

And don’t take this as a criticism of the mods/admin – I know how difficult it is to walk that line. I love all of you including Rev. Phil (though maybe not Lotta cause she hasn’t sent me the pics of her garden).

But I would certainly appreciate more discussion on this topic (and a copy of the avatar with the shear panties) . Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

With respect, Gold Hat, the "no politics" line is not a good example either. It doesn't support your contention that there has been a change, never mind that any change is for the worse. We have always had a ban on politics and religion. You may see a distinction between discussing politics and discussing how nuts the discussion of politics is, but it's an extraordinarily fine line, and I challenge you to explain it or set out guidelines for posting in accordance with it, or modding it. The impossibility of allowing some political discussions and not others is one of the reasons for having the blanket ban in the first place. That's not asking anyone to lock up their brain, just asking that they express views on aspects that are often inflammatory (and nothing to do with baiting) in another arena.

As for PC-ness curtailing the choice of avatars, are you really saying that people should have more latitude than they have already? Go and look at some of the ones currently in use, such as Prof's or Stepan Fetchit's and then tell me that PC-ness is cramping their freedom of expression. Laughing

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But too often now, here at Eater, the personal views of those who control the buttons supersede the honest expression of differing opinion that comes from our unique bunch.

I suspect that you have little notion of the degree to which the personal views of those of us controlling the buttons are set aside on a daily basis. You have probably never had to think about it, and why should you? Smile Were I not a mod, my reply here would have been very different, for example. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining. I do it by choice, and I live with my own lack of individual expression for the enjoyment I get from other aspects of the role. It's a trade off. Just like having to reconcile the sometimes diametrically opposed individual expressions of "intelligent, creative, twisted, irreverent and individualistic minds that lurk here". Not everyone gets the right to say exactly what they want, when they want, and to whom they want, but we try to make sure that as many people get to have their say as possible. That's not PC or anything like, it's just polite. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Gold Hat wrote:
Yes, had I characterized Ms. Palin as a still censored - RC then I most definitely should have been censored. But I didn’t – it was just a picture. Wink


I saw what you did there. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

And you think the rest of us didn't? Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

So far I'm not seeing the change. Is it just me or are certain members just making up bullshit just for the heck of it. Of course if this is the case then I would expect other members to actually question the source and the motive of such statements.

Always loads to say behind the scenes not to much to say when called out. Peer pressure must be tough when trying to make up your own mind rather than following the crowd.

So far all I can see is the argument that there are not enough scantly clad women on the forums. Is that it? oh I almost forgot the political issue, I think Eight handled that quite well.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

[Slightly on/off topic]

Eater is a community, and like all communities it evolves. We have a few rules set in stone, and others that rely on self-governance. After disappearing for 9 months I found everything is still pretty much the same. There has defiantly been a shift in change towards members being able to not fear mod reprisals, mainly because nowadays members are treated with more respect rather than contempt. I see it as a good thing. A moderators role is to cater to the needs of the members of the forum, help where we can and keep it free from the numpties.

We are certainly not as PC as you think. Not at all. We still don't condone any form of racism. I recently dealt with one of these pigs, which is always pointless, as is their beliefs. We don't allow people to flame each other on the forums, and we don't allow trolls and deluded disgruntled ex-members-turned-trolls to spread their mindless diatribe. Some people just need to get a life.

No politics, or religious debates are still now allowed for all the obvious reasons, and a persons sexual orientation is not an issue.

Eater is what you make it. If you've lost your love for baiting and the community then just don't participate. Take a break. Trying to capture a lost moment of 'the ye olde days' isn't going to happen unless you want it too. I haven't lost my passion for this site, it's members or our goals. If anything I feel renewed about everything. I choose to make it my experiences here fun. I choose to participate and help where I can. I choose to not involve myself in anyone else's business that isn't bait, or forum related. I don't care about ego's and personal agendas. If you have a personal gripe with someone, deal with it, move on or move off. It really is that simple.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:12 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Gold Hat wrote:
...But my view of the picture was not political – anyone here, with our expertise, could easily see that the photo was chopped – it was intended as an example of just how nuts the discussion on American politics has become.


I don't see the point here. The fact that the photo was chopped is irrelevant. It was a provocative picture of a prominent political figure. No doubt, some people would have found if funny, and some people would have been pissed off by it. Discussions like that tend to lead to animosity between members, and rifts in the board. For as long as I've been here, posts like that have been handled consistently, and for good reason.

Gold Hat wrote:
I have another picture of Obama on a pancake box representing guess who?


Are you saying we need more racist humor here?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:41 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Firstly, i have nothing against eaters various rules and regulations. I see most as well thought out and rational chosen. Others, not so much, but i know that the admins/mods see them as good choices, so i try to not break them.

One thing about this topic that has caught my eye. I see there is no talking about the politics of politics. Ie, no pics (real or fake) of political figures. See the above post. (funny/offensive=rifts.)

The same doesn't seem to apply for religion. Which is a topic that gets way more heated than politics. Rover's avatar is of the invisible pink unicorn. One of the most well known symbols of atheism and also a very good argument about the paradox of religion. (I have a similar avatar of a different forum.) The point is, preaching against all religion is pretty much like preaching for your own religion - it may also be somewhat like making love to a beautiful woman, you'd have to ask tommo - and definitely like a picture on the politics of religion.

It just seems a little hypocritical.
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