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pilgrim
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Since the repository of scammer emails at http://www.repository.izone.me.uk/ appears to have gone offline, I've been attempting to bait scammers posted here in the surplus letters forum by helpful baiters. But I've had several instances, too many, of my email replies being bounced for "no account". I realize this happens occasionally, but the frequency is simply too high for coincidence.

I suspect that someone with access to the surplus letters forum, probably with the best of intentions, is killing lad email accounts. Several years ago, I too killed lad accounts, but someone set me straight. Perhaps it's time for another reminder: killing a lad account does little to inconvenience the lad, since he can open a new account within minutes. But killing a lad account can and does spoil a bait. So please don't do it. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

yep, mine have sent a auto generated reply.

was in mid chop too.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It's very easy for a lad to open a new account, however, not all lads are smart enough to keep a record of their baiters and victims' email addresses....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Unfortunately (for us baiters) there are people who think they are doing a public service by going out and killing as many lad accounts as possible.

Although their sentiments are in the right place, it doesn't occur to them that the lads will simply move on to new accounts and start over.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@mami: Maybe not the first time they lose a victim, but they certainly are the second time. Often they are in phone contact as well.

There are lots of good reasons for leaving boxes alone. They have been discussed here many, many times, but it never hurts to repeat my personal favorites:

When lads use the same email addresses for a length of time, they tend to get published on anti-scam sites such as this one. Victims can find them if they become skeptical of the deal they are involved in and do a little homework. Warning groups such as ScamWarners often rely on this as a means of convincing victims that they are involved in a scam.

However rarely, law enforcement investigations do occur. Closing boxes makes it much more difficult to track scammer gangs and find patters, and most importantly, evidence may well be lost.

Without question, it may be possible to spare a victim or two by closing boxes, but in my opinion, it does more harm than good.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yes, same thing happened to one of my lads. Thought he might have twigged on me, but turns out his email address got shut down and it took him a couple of days to get a new one

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

mami wrote:
It's very easy for a lad to open a new account, however, not all lads are smart enough to keep a record of their baiters and victims' email addresses....
No, but fortunately for him, the victim - who really believes s/he is about to receive millions - probably kept his phone number.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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But killing a lad account can and does spoil a bait. So please don't do it. Thank you.


There are many reasons for not Killing accounts, however People with the best of intentions are not going to be swayed with the “it spoils my bait argument”

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

well at best it does nothing, at worst it clouds things and allows them even greater anonymity by foxing the efforts of urgentmessage.org and others.

and it ruins baits.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

A double edged sword, albeit a road we've been down many times before.

I'm forever answering promising formats, only for my carefully crafted reply to bounce.

Before I got into this, though, I'd angrily forward my latest lotto winning email to Yahoo, with a 'how the hell can you let them get away with opening a UK_National_Lottery@yahoo.com email address?', expecting them to kill it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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I'm forever answering promising formats, only for my carefully crafted reply to bounce


Script bounced how sad what a shame Smile


Edit to add:

In the it aint arf hot style Smile





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FUCK OFF. DONT CONTACT ME ANYMORE
you must tell the truth at least you supposed to tell me the truth.
i am not here to check or look for people piss in the streets of Abidjan
Who is this person Mickey Mouse???
trying to dercieve hoorable men like me. You are stupid man ok.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

4 of my lads accounts, closed. one of the baits was going on 3+ months

my asem account disabled

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It's all just part of the game, other people other games and your lad wasn't going to be your life long friend anyway Wink One of the reasons I collect IP#'s, I can find my friends back, usually within a month they're back at their game and show up in surplus again.
I can imagine that some people, thinking doing the right thing, use the public surplus for killing email addy's, so have your lad make a special addy for you just to be sure that the transaction stays confidential at all times Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The worst we lose is a bait, not life saving's

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FUCK OFF. DONT CONTACT ME ANYMORE
you must tell the truth at least you supposed to tell me the truth.
i am not here to check or look for people piss in the streets of Abidjan
Who is this person Mickey Mouse???
trying to dercieve hoorable men like me. You are stupid man ok.
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sheboppe
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Pilgrim - these folks might have a hand in killing your lad accounts. I'm not saying that they are responsible for yours, but go to their site and judge for yourself.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I am a little suspicious that some of the mail providers may be trying to weed out scammers, though they seem more keen on closing my accounts than those belonging to Lads.

I opened a gmail account today and every mail I tried to send said it had been detected as potential spam. It was only a single test message with a simple hi. Shocked

... and gmail is very peculiar over attachments too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:25 am Reply with quoteBack to top

My catcher account is hotmail and a lot of the scam e-mails are indicated as not safe. I've been marking all the ones I've been getting as unsafe. I would assume this would only be a notice to potential victims and not the same as reporting or closing the accounts. Am I on the right track here?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:01 am Reply with quoteBack to top

You're such a prick, Doodlebug. Way to crush Roy.

Yahoo loves closing lads accounts. Some people are just sick of the spam.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@sheboppe - I think you're correct. Looks very much to me as if these folks are the ones killing the surplus letter accounts. If I were part of this group (Heaven forbid!) the surplus letters forum would provide a rich source of scammer emails, especially since the repository has gone tango uniform (which causes me to wonder if there's a connection).

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1. We do close down the REPLY accounts and as quickly as possible - however these are only for the latest scams and wouldn't normally affect any ongoing baits you have on the go. As I'm sure you've noticed, the vast majority of scammers use a reply account in their emails to catch victims, however, after that, they then usually respond from a different account (a main account) which isn't quoted on their emails.


If I'm trying to establish a bait, and I reply to the REPLY account only to find out too late it's been shut down, there is no bait. And since the lad has never heard of me, he doesn't have my email addy in a safe cache somewhere.

Bummer!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ We had quite a debate with them about closing lad accounts, but it was like arguing with a stop sign. They are determined that they are right no matter what so it's pretty pointless to even try to get them to see that they really aren't doing a good deed like they think they are.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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You're such a prick, Doodlebug


From you Reaper praise indeed Wink

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Who is this person Mickey Mouse???
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Start by cutting off access to the surplus forum to those who use it to shut down accounts.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ That is not something that we wish to do. Surplus is not behind a login so anyone has access to it. Blocking that access would be counterproductive.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

In the last 4 weeks I have lost all my baits about 8, I pulled them all from surplus. Varying stages. Can someone Pm me some not so public lads?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm not baiting (yet?) so I have no horse in this race. Its just that the consensus of this forum seems to be that accounts shouldn't be shut down. According to the posts in that other thread referenced above the folks doing this don't care about that consensus, so why not prevent them from using this site to kill addresses?
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