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Bokku Ga Kira
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:44 am Reply with quoteBack to top

((What follows below is the correspondance between myself and one of those China-based "phone lads", in this case claiming to own a shop selling cheap nike and similar name-brand shoes. I pretended at first to be a "normal" customer, merely wishing to place an order of shoes. From there, I went eventually into a long scheme eventually revealing myself as an officer with the PLA, and claiming that the man was under investigation by the Chinese government for suspected fraud, at which point he started to freak out (though mainly in the Mandarin part.) I put in some OOC comments in bold paranthesis for notation.))


Scammer:
hello
Self:
you have an interesting site; however, I have a few questions if you don't mind
Scammer:
ok,please
Self:
does your company ship to Kharan?
(("Kharan" is the name of a fictional world from a story I had written/am in the process of writing, one day perhaps to become a novel. Of course, such a place does not really exist, and if it did, it would take far longer than seven days to ship to it.))
Scammer:
yes,
Self:
how many days would it take?
Scammer:
7 day
Self:
alright
Scammer:
what products you will order?
Self:
well then, hmm... I was wondering then, does your company sell any Icarus brand wing shoes?
((I couldn't think of a good fictional name for a shoe, so I just went with the first thing that popped into my head, and ran with it; the weird winged shoes on the statue of Icarus that I saw in Greece))
Self:
and if so, in what sizes
Self:
sir?
Scammer:
you want women shoes or men shoes
Self:
men's; do you carry that brand?
Scammer:
yes
Self:
alright
Scammer:
yes,but ship to your location the freight is high
Self:
I see
Scammer:
yes,so if need,you need pay freight
Self:
oh, actually I would like to buy two pairs; one for myself, and also one for my friend who lives in Khorsha. Do you deliver to Khorsha as well?
((Khorsha is another such fictional world; in this case created by my friend))
Self:
I don't mind, I'll pay freight, that's ok
Scammer:
ok,all place we ship
Self:
alright
Self:
so then, my friend and I would both like a pair of Icarus Wing Shoes. I would like a size 12 men's, he would like a size 9 and three quarters men's.
((Nine and Three Quarters, is of course a rather blatant reference to Harry Potter))
Self:
do you carry those sizes?
Scammer:
yes
Self:
alright, awesome
Self:
so I assume you need information on our locations, correct?
Scammer:
did you have see our site,if have see,please tell me the products code,thank you
Self:
oh, it wasn't on the front page
Self:
that's why I was asking about it
Self:
so do you have this product or not?
Self:
I'm confused
Scammer:
oh,i will check it
Self:
ok
Scammer:
Icarus Wing Shoes is nike series?
Scammer:
http://www.cheap-nikejordan.com/distribution/Air-Jordan-Shoes_1.html
Scammer:
http://www.cheap-nikejordan.com/distribution/Air-Jordan-Shoes_1.html
Self:
Yes, see; it was a product released by Nike just in Greece directly to customers; so I was wondering if your company held it
Scammer:
sorry,this said i wouldn't confirm,please see our site particullar and tell me the products code,and i will send some links to you confirm,ok
((I thought you claimed earlier that you had it in stock, mugu...))
Scammer:
http://www.cheap-nikejordan.com/distribution/Air%20Force%20One_1.html
Self:
see, the thing is
Self:
I didn't see it on that front page
Scammer:
http://www.cheap-nikejordan.com/distribution/Air%20Force%20One_1.html
Self:
that's why I asked you here about it
Self:
to see if you had any extra in stock
Self:
my friend and I really want them; we missed them last time we were in Greece
Scammer:
http://www.cheap-nikejordan.com/distribution/Shox-Shoes_1.html
Self:
we'd be willing to pay upwards of $500 a pair
Self:
but if you don't have it, that's alright; we could find another company I'm sure
Scammer:
i see,i will found for you
Self:
alright, great. ^^
Scammer:
can you send some pictrue to me ,i will found for you,ok
Self:
http://store.nofear.com/Images/AllEcomm/M/FS3048_WH_0.jpg
((Had to BS here; he seemed to go with it; I just google searched "wing shoe" and went with the first viable image))
Self:
here is one from google
Scammer:
ok,i see it
Self:
do you have that kind of shoe in stock?
Scammer:
i will check it and tell you,ok
Self:
ok
Scammer:
is you send pictrue,you will order 2 pair,is right/
Self:
yes
Scammer:
ok
Self:
alright
Self:
so what information do you need to complete the transaction then?
Scammer:
your particullar address and country,post code,and you full name
Self:
My address is 13th Place Grimmauld Lane, Palantis, Kharan. Postal Code CAD-159. My full name is Bae-tyu Edi Yot.
((The street Address is a reference of course to Harry Potter. "Palantis" is the fictional capitol of the equally fictional Kharan. The Postal Code is simply based off of Pi with the first three digits turned into their corresponding letters. And, to the more cynical folks out there, "Bae-tyu Edi Yot" is of course pronounced the same as the phrase "Bait you, idiot."))
Self:
oh
Self:
and my friend's address and name
Scammer:
ok,when i have found it,and contact to you
Self:
12435 Alpha Centuri Rd., Horashkan Province, Khorsha
((Total BS of course))
Self:
His name is Carth Onasi
((The name of a main character from the game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, which my brother was playing while I was running this bait.))
Scammer:
ok,wait i found the shoes,you tell me again,ok
Self:
tell you again what?
Scammer:
address ect
Self:
oh, ok
Self:
now I want it to be shipped both to my friend and myself, but only under one bill, mine
Self:
is that ok?
Self:
My address is 13th Place Grimmauld Lane, Palantis, Kharan. Postal Code CAD-159. My full name is Bae-tyu Edi Yot.
His Address is 12435 Alpha Centuri Rd., Horashkan Province, Khorsha. His full name is Carth Onasi
Scammer:
ok
Self:
so how much will this cost for shipping and products together?
Scammer:
now i dont found the products,wait i have found ,tell you total price,ok
Self:
alright...
Self:
hello? how much will the total bill be?
Scammer:
i dont know now,after wait i found the products and tell you
Self:
hmm, how about this; I have to leave to meet someone for about half an hour; do you think that by the time I return in half an hour you will have found the product and its price?
Scammer:
it will not fast for found,when i have found,will tell you,but i will do ASAP
Self:
alright
Self:
well, I will keep you on my contacts list
Self:
if and when you find it, please do tell me
Self:
or email me if I am not online when you do
Scammer:
ok



PART TWO (Next day):

Self:
hello
Self:
do you remember me?
Scammer:
yes
Self:
have you been able to locate the shoes yet?
Scammer:
no,the shoes i didn't found it for,i am very sorry
Self:
it's alright
Scammer:
all store no sell this type shoes,but i will continue found for you,when i have found it,will tell you soon
Scammer:
http://photo.163.com/photos/bulage0594/137706202/
Scammer:
this shoes the type is the same with you send ,if you need,we have stock
Self:
hmm
Self:
it looks similar
Self:
but the one I had in mind had a wing design
Scammer:
i see,but that one didn't found it
Self:
oh
Scammer:
i send you shoes is brand name shoes--adidas shoes,the quality is very good
Scammer:
if you need ,you can choose you like color and tell me,i will mail for you
Scammer:
http://photo.163.com/photos/bulage0594/137706202/4659014665/
Scammer:
this pair is very nice
Scammer:
http://photo.163.com/photos/bulage0594/137706202/4659014569/
Scammer:
you can see this pair,i think very similar with you send
Scammer:
you only pair 85 dollar per pair
Self:
hmm, ok
Self:
do you still have the information for my friend and I?
Self:
he said he'd be ok with it
Scammer:
yes,i have it
Self:
alright
Self:
can you just confirm it with me once?
Scammer:
yes
Self:
ok
Self:
so what is the information you have?
Self:
just so I am sure it is correct on your end
Scammer:
My address is 13th Place Grimmauld Lane, Palantis, Kharan. Postal Code CAD-159. My full name is Bae-tyu Edi Yot.
His Address is 12435 Alpha Centuri Rd., Horashkan Province, Khorsha. His full name is Carth Onasi

Scammer:
is your information
Scammer:
is right
Self:
yes
Self:
that is correct
Scammer:
ok
Scammer:
you said will take it the size 12 and 9
Self:
well, my friend wanted size nine and three quarters
Self:
do you have that size?
Scammer:
you will take us size ,is right?
Self:
yes
Self:
size nine and three quarters
Self:
us mens
Scammer:
and three quarters?

Self:
yes
Scammer:
is what?
Self:
size nine and three quarters
Self:
between size nine and a half and size ten
Self:
my friend has a very specific shoe size you see
Scammer:
yes,i see it
Self:
ok
Self:
you have that size?
Scammer:
hold on please
Self:
alright
Scammer:
4 £» 4.5£» 5.5£» 6 £» 6.5 £» 7 £» 8; 8.5£» 9; 9.5 £» 10£» 10.5 £»11 is all size
Self:
oh
Self:
well my friend wants size 9.75
Self:
you don't have that size?
Scammer:
yes,have size 9.5,but i think the size 9.5 with 9.75 is the same size
Self:
hmm, alright
Scammer:
now,please tell me the size
Scammer:
you and your friend
Self:
my size is 12
my friend's is size 9.75, but I guess 9.5 would be ok
Scammer:
your size top is 11
Scammer:
size 11 is top ,i think you will use it
Self:
ok
Self:
size 11 then
Scammer:
ok
Scammer:
you will ship to two address
Self:
yes
Scammer:
ok,you need pay me total 185 dollar for 2 pair shoes,and i will free shipping to your location
Self:
alright
Self:
how do I pay?
Self:
do you take credit card?
Scammer:
please send the money via western union.
Western Union Info:
First Name: Shuangsheng
Last Name: Ke
Address: Putian City, Fujian Province, China
ZIP:351100
When we received your full payment,we delivered the shoes that you order at once.After you have payment please tell me follow informations below :
1>.MTCN (Money Transfer Control Number)
2>.Sender's name
Scammer:
At present ,We only accept western union payment
Self:
I see
Scammer:
i take money will fast,and mailed your shoes will fast
Self:
ok
Scammer:
ok
Self:
Sir, there's something you need to know
Scammer:
please said
Self:
You see, my name is not really. "Bae-tyu Edi Yot". That was a false name. It is pronounced the same as "Bait you, idiot." I am really an officer for the PLA. And I am under authorization from the government of the PRC to investigate online stores based in China suspected of fraudulent behavior
Self:
and your store was flagged to us
Self:
many customers ordered products from your store and paid for them, yet never received them
Self:
how do you explain this?
Self:
This makes China have a bad image
Self:
it looks like you are a criminal, sir
Self:
how do you explain this?
Self:
We have now your address
Self:
agents will be there within the next 24 hours to arrest you and your co-conspirators
Self:
if you come in peacefully, you shall not be harmed
Self:
do you understand?
Self:
we are taking you in for questioning
Self:
do you understand?
Scammer:
i see a litle,but you reassurance.we will do business long-term,and our company have do more business in some country.so you will recieve the shoes that you order
Self:
I am not a customer
Self:
I am an agent of the Chinese government
Scammer:
yes,i see,you will recieve it
Self:
I work with the People's Liberation Army
Self:
but other people say you have scammed them
Self:
that you did not ship the goods you promised
Self:
how do you explain this?
Self:
We have many questions for you to answer
Self:
you will be taken in for questioning soon by the People's Liberation Army
Self:
do you understand?
Self:
Chairman Hu Jintao himself authorized this project to track down fraud operating in China
Self:
I am acting under his orders
Scammer:
yes.please reassurance.when we have mailed,will tell you one trackingnumber,you can track it on internet
Self:
......
Self:
you do not understand do you?
Self:
I am a member of the PLA
Self:
You are a criminal
Self:
you have committed fraud
Self:
your site is illegal
Self:
you have broken the law
Self:
we know this
Self:
we will be taking you in for questioning soon
Self:
This was a sting
Self:
my name is not "Bae-tyu Edi Yot"
Self:
my name is really Jiang Shi Min
Self:
and I am an officer with the PLA
Self:
whose duty it is to track down online fraud coming from China
Self:
do you understand who I am?
Self:
do you?
Scammer:
Jiang Shi Min

Self:
get your manager in
Self:
I would like to speak with him
Scammer:
i am manager
Self:
alright
Self:
then let me ask you something
Scammer:
sorry,my english is no well
Self:
is your business legal?
Scammer:
so talk is low
Self:
do you want to speak Mandarin instead?
Scammer:
ok

((And here the chat goes to Mandarin. I cheat and used google translator, and went back and forth a few times to make sure it sounded decent enough - better than his English at least. Basically, the conversation went somewhere along these lines. I finally got through to him that I worked for the Chinese government; he kept on maintaining his innocence, but I could tell he was growing rather nervous, and seemed to actually believe my claims of being a PLA officer. I ended basically with a threat that I would send PLA agents to arrest him some time in the next few days unless he quit his business immediately. He said it was legitimate, and that he would keep it going, to which I said he should expect to see us then, and should cooperate peacefully when we arrived. All in all a hilarious bait. I may have to try this sort of thing again.))
Self:
我工作,为中国政府主席先生。
Scammer:

Scammer:
我知道
Self:
我是主任,与人民的解放军。
Scammer:
我知道你的意思,但你放心
Self:
是吗?
Scammer:
只要你写上你收件人的名字,我们会按照你写的名字邮寄给你,你会收到的
Self:
你不明白。
Self:
我们怀疑您正在运行的一个骗局。
Scammer:
好的,那请您再说一下,用中文
Scammer:
不会的,你放心,我们做很多生意跟美国,我可以把我们做过的客户跟踪号给你查看
Scammer:
我们讲的是信用
Self:
我们已接获报告,从国际客户说,他们已骗你。他们说,他们支付的产品,你从来没有发运。你怎么解释这一切?
Scammer:
请您相信我们。我们不会去欺骗你那185美金,我们想跟你们做长期的生意的
Scammer:
那是有些公司有可能存在这个可能
Scammer:
但我们是真实的
Self:
我的订单是假的。我进行调查。不过,我们已接获报告,从其他客户谁说你有被骗的。再次,你怎么解释这一切?
Scammer:
EA999206078CN 这个是我们为客户邮寄的跟踪好,你可以查一下
Scammer:
http://www.ems.com.cn/english-main.jsp
Scammer:
在这里
Scammer:
你放心。我坚信在我们这里没有说收到钱不发货的事情
Self:
很好的主席先生,我明白。你没有回答我的问题,不过。你怎么解释人民的谁说你欺骗他们呢?
Self:
你声称他们的谎言时,他们说你欺骗他们呢?
Self:
因为它不是一,但许多报告,我们对你。
Self:
你怎么解释这一切?
Scammer:
我们做生意本来就是建立在互信的基础上,如果这样,那我们也没办法,也不知道该向你们怎么解释,是吗
Self:
你说他们都是骗子?
Scammer:
如果我们有欺骗你的行为,你可以报案
Self:
我的人谁报告去。我是主任的调查。
Scammer:
我不敢这样说,但起码我们是真实的,诚信的
Self:
如果你是真实的,为什么有这么多的投诉,你呢?
Self:
你怎么解释这一切?
Scammer:
刚才对您所订购的产品,我们都联系好了,你要是有这个顾虑,我们也没办法
Self:
谢谢
Scammer:
因为邮寄去你的那个地方运费很贵,我们也没什么利润,就是想做你们那边的市场
Self:
你没有回答我。为什么你认为有这么多的投诉,你呢?中国驻美使馆已收到超过100对贵公司的单。
Scammer:
我们主要是做美国的
Self:
人说你欺骗了他们。
Scammer:
那是有些公司有欺骗行为,但不一定所有的公司都是这样的
Self:
他们为什么这样说呢?
Self:
您公司的名称来在许多投诉。
Scammer:
是的,我承认那可能有存在这样的情况,但我说了,我们公司没有做过这样的事情
Self:
你说所有的人谁说,他们曾被骗的是说谎者?
Scammer:
你说我们公司有很多投诉,那么请拿出证据来,他们有汇款有凭证
Self:
我们将目前所有的证据在你的正式讯问。
Scammer:
我们收到客户的钱都是有发货的,所以请您叫投诉人拿出汇给我们的凭证,我们有邮寄给每个人的邮单,所以我觉得不怕
Scammer:
好了,我很忙,你要是有诚意买的话,就跟我联系,要是有这个顾虑的话,我们也没办法
Scammer:
谢谢你的时间
Self:
客户提供证据,已经给我们。我们将目前这方面的证据,以对你的审问。
Scammer:
但你要弄清楚,是不是我们的
Self:
我们很快会来质询你。请不要抗拒。你是否明白?
Scammer:
如果没有汇款给我们的凭据,请你不要浪费我们的时间
Scammer:
我看你不是来买东西的?
Self:
我们有订单,从政府的问题,你,我恐怕。
Scammer:
我们做的是正道生意,所以没必要担心这些
Self:
现在,虽然,再见。我的男子将在那里和问你问题,尽快。如果你是一个诚实的男子,没有恐惧。
Self:
再见。
Scammer:
再见
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