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Not quite a Newb Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 45

When lads operate outside of West Africa, do they assume a local name? Or do they normally stick with names that have worked for them before? I just received a proposal from Saeed in Dubai and was wondering if Saeed might actually be from West Africa.

Baiting Guru Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 18313

Lads use any name they have ever heard, and make up some too. You really can't judge anything by the name.

Your friend Saeed could be anywhere.

You can tell where the lad is (depending on which email provider he's using) by checking the IP of the mail he sent you.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:11 am

FYI, Saeed sounds like another spelling of Sayid/Said/Sa'id/Sayyid... well, you get the picture. A very common name in the Arab world.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:25 am

Be sure to read all the stickies.

I use this tool for examining email headers to find out where the lad is (probably) located http://headertool.apelord.com/

As always, bait safely.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 45

I am trying to determine who I am dealing with here. I always check the IP addresses of lads. I was surprised when his IP resolved to United Arab Emirates. I have not dealt with any outside of Africa. The bait is still very early and I like to make this very slow for the lads so it may be awhile before I have him off script and can determine if his spelling is more inline with someone from the Middle East or Africa.

After going back and looking at some of the emails, I do not believe he is from the United Arab Emirates. He claims he is the branch manager of the bank, but the bank keeps changing names. One email claims Bank of Abu Dhabi and the next Bank of Dubai. I think he is confused with the Geography of the United Arab Emirates. A local would know the name of the bank. I won’t mention this error to him. I hope we won’t notice when my details start changing with every email.

I was thinking that maybe lads with West African names might use an Arab name if they are portraying a position within a bank so that it might be more believable to potential victims. I was just curious of the lad psyche. I think the more I understand them, the easier it is to frustrate them.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:59 am

Lads can be found all over the place - including the UAE. I've had a small number from there.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:49 pm

Jumbo Okechukwu aka Dr. Dan Johnson

He's threatened to kill me and my family if I don't give him $300. I've got him down to $200 and letting him have my (non-existent) 32-year-old bum son.

I'm tryong to pay him in Canadian currency, Tim Horton coffee and donuts.

I'm blogging about it at (mod edit, blog url removed to protect your privacy - SP)

Baiting Guru Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Posts: 2922

Stbear-if you are using any of your real life info WALK AWAY

Read some of the stickies about baiting safe and consider asking for a mentor.

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118738

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:55 pm

How do I extract scammers' IP numbers from Yahoo and other free e-mail accounts?

Baiting Guru Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 11857 Location: UK

@ Stbear, do the numbers 0166 mean anything to you?

If so, then you need to do as Donato said above and drop the scammer, because it took me about 2 minutes to find your home address and phone number in Canada, which the scammer could also do just as easily.

Are you aware that Canada is one of the main centres for Nigerian and other West African scammers to be based in? Meaning, it wouldn't be difficult for someone in Africa to pass your details to an accomplice in Canada, if you get my meaning. I have edited your post above to remove your blog url to protect your privacy.

Imagine if the lad Googled his scamming character name and found your post here, as several scammers have done before which ruined baits in progress, and it shows your location in Canada under your avatar, and he also has your real name that you are baiting him from, it's easy to find you then Wink

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:12 pm

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How do I extract scammers' IP numbers from Yahoo and other free e-mail accounts?

On Yahoo, you go into "Options", and then "General Preferences". You'll have a choice between "Show brief headers on incoming messages" and "Show all headers on incoming messages". Pick the latter.

Then, where you'd normally just see the sender and subject line, you'll get something like this:

Quote:

X-Apparently-To: [email protected] via 68.180.197.179; Mon, 26 May 2008 13:58:38 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [209.191.125.210]
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Authentication-Results: mta401.mail.re4.yahoo.com from=yahoo.co.id; domainkeys=pass (ok)
Received: from 209.191.125.210 (HELO n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.210) by mta401.mail.re4.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 26 May 2008 13:58:35 -0700
Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 13:46:39 -0000
Received: from [209.191.119.164] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 20:54:27 -0000
Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp103.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 20:54:27 -0000
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3
X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: [email protected]
Received: (qmail 17020 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2008 20:54:25 -0000
Received: from [41.219.221.87] by web76014.mail.sg1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 May 2008 03:54:25 ICT
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 03:54:25 +0700 (ICT)
From: "Joy Dada" <[email protected]> Add Mobile Alert
Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.co.id. Learn more
Subject: Mrs Dada
To: "yourname" <[email protected]>
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-256216592-1211835265=:5094"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Length: 14841

There will be one or more numbers with dots in them like 209.191.125.210 and 127.0.0.1. The last one down is usually your real IP- in this case, "41.219.221.87".

Then you plug in your lucky number into an IP-finding site like http://www.ip-adress.com/ipaddresstolocation/ or http://www.geobytes.com/ipLocator.htm. You'll get a rough estimate of where your lad is (in this case, Nigeria, and close enough to Lagos to be connected to their network). These sites often have limits to how many IP you can look up per day, so it helps to find have two or three on hand.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:17 pm

@Stbear. In Yahoo, open the mail. Click on the tab at the bottom right that says "View Full Headers".

Other email addresses will either have a similar little tab or it may be in a drop down menu.

With Hotmail, you don't have to open the mail. Just right click on it in the inbox and hit "Show original".

And like Scam Patroller says: if you're not baiting safe and you're baiting a lad, drop him immediately. If you can be found that easily, you really, really need to go back to the beginning and start again. Don't just assume that because you live in a civilised country that you are safe. If your lad finds out you're in Canada and has any contacts you could be in big trouble. Canadian lads are no better than their counterparts. In fact in some cases they are worse - they are close to you and they have the money and the resources to pay you a visit.

Far better to drop the lad, get yourself safe and pick him up again when there's no risk.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:23 pm

Multiple name disorder, fake ID affectation and miniature personal picture myopia are all common disorders among scammers. Very Happy

My best scammer names recently have been Precious Fender and George Formby (he was box office in the UK with a ukelele in the 1930's).

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:29 pm

Ruck, I have a couple of UAE lads. They say they are bankers, barristers or whatever hagglers but they don't know any Arabic. I don't know exactly where they are originally from but West Africa is my educated guess. One of the lads uses email accounts that hide his IP and I suppose it's because of the general attitude to scammers and other criminals in the Emirates. It seems perfectly possible to scam from there but in case a scammer gets judged his punishment will be strict Twisted Evil

I'm not very experienced yet but you can pm me if you like. We may have the same lad Very Happy

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