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twin85
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok, so I run an online business where we sell skateboards. We got an order last week for 3 boards to go to switzerland (this is a big order for us). So, I checked and the money was in our account, so we shipped the boards out. In the meantime, we got an email from the buyer:

hello seller, please let me know how about my order status ?
thanks for your attention.

kind regard
Adetya

So then in the last 4 days, we have gotten 4 more orders for large quantities of decks. 2 for switzerland, 1 for Australia, 1 for Hong Kong. Each order has similar characteristics, the email addresses show up nowhere on google, no capital letters are used, and they have similar zip codes.

To make things even weirder, the first order we sent out, just got returned from switzerland and says "No Such Address"

I called Papyal, which does our CC processing and like usual they are beyond worthless. They said everything looks fine on their end. I just can't figure out the scam? It can't just be to get some free skate decks.

Thanks guys!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Also, found it weird that the latest order (the biggest), the email address is [email protected], but the name on the billing info is Rendya Vinanda.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi it's a bit strange that the first shipment was returned with "No Such Address" , but so far there's no profit for them, you claim the money is in the account, how was it paid and in what name?
And why would the same person order to different countries?
Better drop the same message at scamwarner (in the header of this forum) they know more about those scams than we do here.
But please keep us posted, I want to know what the trick here is.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm scratching my head a little over this one. Package mule scams are common where goods are bought with stolen credit cards or paypal accounts and shipped to wherever. Usually the items are more liquid than skateboards I would think, but stranger things have happened.

Maybe someone else here knows more about this sort of thing. Confused

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

ok, I will, I just checked my order log and someone just failed 4 orders in a row, same deal, 5 boards and they were going to indonesia.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

They might try a trick when they claim the money back or you have/had a co-worker with a strange sense of humor?

Edit: The only thing I can come up with for you is this link http://www.ipligence.com/mailtrace/ where you can check if the sender of the email is in the same country as the deliver address, so you could decide not to send those boards to prevent transport costs.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The whole thing is just to weird, we are not a big company so its not like that. Here is the info on the latest one.


Contact Info
E-mail Address [email protected]
Phone Number 2105184906
Billing Address
First Name raden
Last Name prengki
Company
Address malangbareng raya 2C 417
City jawatimur
State ktamalang
Postal Code 65145
Country Indonesia
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I get this with the phone number
Quote:
Note: An invalid phone number has been entered, because the country code has not been assigned to any destination.


To check others https://www.numberingplans.com//?page=analysis&sub=phonenr

After a little search the phone could be in San antonio, Texas is that of any help ?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Do you know how to check an IP? It can be found in the header.

Edit: I ask because it would be interesting to see if all of the emails have the same IP address, or if they match the location the order is supposedly being placed from.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ill try both of those, we just got another one lol. I just dont get the scam, if they really wanted a skateboard this bad they could of had one.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

our friend Radan just bought 6 more boards, for a total of 10.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:20 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Check the payments first and if fishy contact the bank.

Edit: He orders by email ? could you post the whole email + header here after you have xxx-ed your company info?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

All the payments go thru just fine. We use paypal merchant services, so the are worthless.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Then I would inform paypal, could be a victims account that they cleanup, all from the same paypal account? Can paypal take your money away when he claims you didn't deliver ?
[email protected] we need a pro here, we're is the moderator Smile I'll wake him up (Naah he is already reading this and looking for a solution, they sure don't sleep here )

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Its not from a paypal account, they enter their CC info on our website, paypal just runs the payment for us.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Maybe you just got some good press somewhere and the orders are just rolling in. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Not sure (since I don't know pricing involved in skateboards)


Might be using you to place an order with to 'verify' that the cards are valid before they use them somewheres for larger amount transfers/deals. If so, they do not care about the delivery of the items, and possibly not even the amount. The true holder is the one that would (hopefully) notice on his bill/statement - BUT that could take 30-40 days depending on CC billing cycle.

Been done for $100-300US to verify card then 1000+ transfer

Might consider requiring the ship to address verified/same as card holders (Not sure how the thing works but some companies online are doing it that way.)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I was wondering about that, but those kinds of pings are usually for a dollar or two, to my knowledge.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Usually a dollar or two, yes that is what we normally see or hear about.

But still: if it was done quick; depending on CC company policies and card type/limits - possible. And if possible, has been/is being/will be done very likely.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yea I mean, I don't get it, the addresses they use barely make sense.

I cant imagine they would use this as a tester, on our website all of our boards are hand numbered editions, so you actually have to go through and pick out what numbers you want. So, it takes some effort.

I checked our google anayltics, we do get a lot of traffic from Indoneisa and they do hang out on the site for some time. So, i dont know.

What language do they speak in Switzerland?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ The four national languages are German, French, Italian and Romansh.

But that doesn't tell you much.

If you post the headers from the emails you received we can look them up and tell you where they are coming from.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

paypal sends me a money received email, so it doesnt show the buyers IP address:(
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ Email a question about the order and see what you get back. Something like: "Do you need that to be shipped in recyclable packaging?"

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

We could do with the header from the original email as Luckey has said.

It's possible you've got a scammer sending out "gifts" to victims paid for by stolen CCs.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

twin85 wrote:
...In the meantime, we got an email from the buyer:

hello seller, please let me know how about my order status ?
thanks for your attention.

kind regard
Adetya


Do you have that one?

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