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duke_bruin
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

....know your enemy!

http://www.ultrascan.nl/html/how_to_become_419er.html
{part of http://www.ultrascan.nl/index.html}

A how to guide to 419 from the Netherlands.

For new guys er... baiters like me Embarassed this is a very informative read, that is, if you can manage the pidgin poo.

From their page on scambaiting--

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Experienced scammers start avoiding e-mail as means to communicate, changing to snail mail telephone landline’s and even door to door tactics.


Gosh that sounds like a lot more work to me. Twisted Evil

Enjoy.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

We generally ignore anything to do with Ultrascam Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Indeed, Ultrascam's true motives are far from obvious, but suffice to say, they offer to recover victims' money, for an upfront fee. Sound familiar? http://www.ultrascan.nl/html/loss_recovery.html

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I figured as much from my read through the initiation page with the hasty legal warnings.

Tricksy dogs, this lot.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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Should clients wish to utilise our recovery services, charges start at $4000 and for a full scale out of court recovery of 6 or 7 figure losses when professionals work round the clock for weeks in a row the expenses start at $12000 per week excluding expenses for travel, rent of technical equipment and local assistance.
Do not ask us to work for free, or at no cure no pay basis, we do not accept. Help for free you can get to a great extent from our volunteers, who have access to the largest part of our databases, just don’t expect them to meet criminals in person to collect your loss.

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Volunteer 1 - warn victims for the scam proposal, when it doesn’t frustrate ongoing investigations
Volunteer 2 - reply to questions of victims, and helps them to file complaints in the most effective place
Volunteer 3 - visits internet cafe in the places where we know there is 419 activity.
Volunteer 4 - “requests friendly” of scammers to give the passwords of their accounts.
Volunteer 5 - inform local police about scam activity in their area.
Volunteer 6 - does scambaiting with the intent to retrieve facts and have scammers arrested.

Non of our volunteers is meeting with scammers.

We can use more volunteers 3 and 4
Yeah, I bet you could.
I saw this site before, sounds murky as hell. Paying goons to get money from other goons, ad infinitum.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It's pretty slimy.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Personally, I think they got their name wrong. It should be ultrascam, not ultrascan.

There is no difference between them and a lad who launches recovery scams.

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