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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:18 am Reply with quoteBack to top

My first call today was from 'number withheld', a lady saying the drug awareness books I'd agreed to be sent to a school of my choice had been printed, and could I please name a school for them to be sent to. No doubt the invoice would then follow.

I told her I'd agreed to no such thing, she told me they have a verbal contract with me. Get bent, lady, see you in court. I'd eat my own spleen before I'd agree to something like that with a stranger on my mobile. Lady abruptly hung up when I challenged her 'facts' and accused her of moral blackmail.

Sure enough, Google found me this thread Drugs Awareness Books SCAM

Seems I'm not alone....

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:54 am Reply with quoteBack to top

If only we could seed her with some pimp phone numbers...
Anybody think of a way of doing that?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ah these lads be tricky beast but we shall outsmart them one way or another. I personally believe its despicable as to the lengths and craftiness these people go to to get a fast buck. I am more concerned about how they got those phone numbers though.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@ Ex

For business numbers in the UK go to (in no particular order)
    Companies House
    Yellow Pages
    local Chamber of Commerce
    web spiders
    on-line business directories
    your local library
    ...and many more.

All in the public domain. Similar in USA, and probably around the world.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Slight update :
We have a phone number, it appears to be up and running.
They may have a little bit of attention paid to them soon.
(watch the audio thread for details)
(and blogtalkradio in two weeks time, hopefully)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This scam has been around for a long time in the USA.

I remember getting these calls in 1986 from these guys claiming to be policemen and selling "drug awareness" books.

The reason I can remember the year is that my then girlfriend fell for the scam and showed me one of the books.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

After posting this and reading that thread I posted a link to, I went outside to wrestle with my car's reversing light switch, which has given up the ghost.

After 5 minutes with my head under the bonnet, Hayley came out with my mobile 'It's John from the Police for you'. John told me that he represented a anti social behaviour unit that did this and were going to do that, and handed out cards and leaflets that..'Hang on! John, are you about to ask me to sponsor a leaflet or something?' 'Er, yes, but...' 'No thanks, you're the second one today' CLICK.

Apparently they target businesses, as they can always claim that someone else in the business OK'd it, except I am a one man band. Many will pay an invoice not knowing who OK'd it, for a quiet life, 'specially if they get heavy.

The Europe City Wide Directory is a long running scam on the same lines, where you are asked a vague 'would you be interested' question, then spend the next few years receiving solicitors' letters from Spain demanding evre increasing amounts of money.

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our Agent is Completely broke, pocketless and stranded
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i started shouting HALLELUJAGOBBLE but none of them notice me immediately police arrested me due to the shouting
f*ck u asshole ur damn mother will loose ur fcuking skull brain ur brain is nothing to compare with rat f*ck ur u
MY FRIEND ALEX WAS DETAINED IN POLICE STATION
I am not happy due to the question i answered at money office. Let me tell you do not play with me ok.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^My company just got an interesting scam.

Quote:
Dear CEO,

We are the domain name registration organization in Asia, which mainly deal with international company's in Asia. We have something important need to confirm with your company.On the Feb 10 , 2008, we received an application formally. One company named "Hutmyt Holdings Limited" applied for the internet trademark keyword

"Company"

and the domain names

company.org.cn
company.name
company.hk
company.tw
company.asia

After our initial examination, we found that the internet trademark keyword and domain names applied for registration are as same as your company's name and trademark. hope to get the affirmation of your company because that may relate to your intellectual property on internet. Now we have not finished the registration of Hutmyt company yet, in order to deal with this issue better, please let someone who is responsible for trademark or domain name contact me as soon as possible.



Best Regards,



Gary.Feng

Sponsoring Registrar:

Asia Domain Name Registration Limited

Address:3A, Units 20/F, Far East Consortium Bldg,

121 Des Voeux Road, Central, Hong Kong

Tel: 00852-3075 9838

fax: 00852-3177 1520
00852-3177 1510

Email:[email protected]

Website:www.asiadnregistry.net


Of course I have changed some things in it to keep my company a secret, but after I received the warning from some others about the email, my first thought was "Can I bait this?"

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I ran a small business from home some years ago. It only lasted about 10 months (I was that sucessful) but I had a seperate phone line installed when I set it up. I moved house about a year after I closed the company, I had mail forwarding on for a year, and one day, many months later I got sent an invoice made out in the company name, phone number etc, for 35 for phoning a premium phone line. The invoice also said it was a late payment and they were charging an additional 40. Enclosed with all this stuff was some pornography, the premium line was an adult line.

Now the line had been disconnected way before this supposed call was made. I phoned the company who issued the invoice, and a male of a certain ethnicity told me to just throw it away and forget about it, after I had explained everything to him.

This was a few years before I found this site, and before I knew such scams existed. I just wished I had gone to the police!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^Ook, forgive me for being a little dense, but...how does that scam work?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

There was no phone call made.... The 75 charge is for sending out an invoice. I am guessing that sending it to a Registered Limited Company - well, the company seeing the porn in the envelope it would just pay the invoice to make it go away and many stern memos would fly around warning staff not to make phone calls to premium lines.

And the porn wasn't even that good!

{EDIT} P.S. Naturally I didn't check out if the line number quoted was bone fide - lest another invoice arrive!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Cachuma - basically they will give us the opportunity to get those domain names first, at a cost of course.

They also leave the door open where we need them to take legal action against the other company. What the scammer didn't realize is that we have offices in China and have lawyers who would advise us on such matters. You can guess how they go from there though.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

imho - the dnrinasia.com and www.asiadnregistry.net are email use domains

www.asiadnregistry.net is just a framed page - source code shows
Quote:
frame src="http://www.asiadnr.org"


Quote:
Domain Name: ASIADNREGISTRY.NET
Registrar: HICHINA WEB SOLUTIONS (HONG KONG) LIMITED
Whois Server: grs.hichina.com
Referral URL: http://whois.hichina.com
Name Server: DNS21.HICHINA.COM
Name Server: DNS22.HICHINA.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 02-jan-2008
Creation Date: 02-jan-2008
Expiration Date: 02-jan-2009
Quote:
Domain Name ..................... asiadnregistry.net
Name Server ..................... dns21.hichina.com
dns22.hichina.com
Registrant ID ................... hc580885558-cn
Registrant Name ................. longcai chen
Registrant Organization ......... hk
Registrant Address .............. Hong Kong
Registrant City ................. hk
Registrant Province/State ....... hk
Registrant Postal Code .......... 200033
Registrant Country Code ......... CN
Registrant Phone Number ......... +852.85231771510 -
Registrant Fax .................. +86.85231771510 -
Registrant Email ................ [email protected]

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Ook, I've had that exact one in the last few days. I'd just registered some more domains for work and within a couple of days these guys were onto it trying to get us to sign up for asian domain names with them.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I was interested to see this on 419 as I am involved with a charity that has been inundated with calls from the public over the past 6 or so months.

Apparently businesses receive a call in the charity name asking them to sponser a ( non existent) booklet being producing for schools on drug awareness.

The telephone number is always withheld and they will not give out a number to call them back on - insisting instead they will call back.

They target small/medium businesses and refer to a previous( supposed) call where a verbal agreement to sponser was entered into.

They ask for funding - to honour the agreement- always by credit card. There is often a sense of urgency neccesitating an immediate payment

The charity has reported the matter to the police who are investigating.

The calls involve high pressure selling techniques and many innocent victims have parted with fairly large sums of money before realising they have been scammed.

The company are operating from a PO box address in UK
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