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 Baiting concept idea. Not sure if its been done before?

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fluffy_cheese
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I was thinking yesterday about a good way to really tick off the scammers.

You would need two experienced baiters for this.

Find a standard Beneficiary scammer. Preferably one that you have been working for quite some time. Then u get a fellow baiter to email you from the same "organization" Claiming to be his boss and offering more money (the lads seem to think that there are people who can intercept emails) as well discrediting the scammer.

You the innocent victim then start to demand proof of both of them (claim the one guy has sent a whole heap of official documents). Make sure that they know each others addresses.

Now see what kinda truly ridiculous photos you can get out of him. Maybe a safari? I imagine the original scammer will be at boiling point about some other scammer trying to "chop his dolla".

Not sure if its been done or if this is old news? Just thought I would post it. If its been done before then just lock the thread or get 1 person to post on it and then it will fade among the mass of people on this forum.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

One experienced baiter could do this, pretending to be two different people. Even the newer baiters have been introducing extra characters from their end.

Safaris and trophy photos ain't easy. You'll need to find one of the dumber lads who hasn't yet been "burned" by these modalities. And, you're going to have work on that lad for a while before you can pull his chain in that direction.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I was just thinking as extra motive to get a lad to go somewhere or something stupid would be one of his competitors trying to chop his dolla.

I wouldn't be able to do cause for the life of me these lads have some..... "interesting" dialect when it comes to addressing each other.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It's very difficult to have 'fake' Lad to 'real' Lad interaction without there being phone contact between the two. They frequently want it with victims, but are unlikely to budge over someone claiming to be another Lad.

That has always been my downfall, but being able to deepen the tone of my voice significantly using some software has allowed me to make one Lad show interest. He even complained about my poor English in my e-mail. Very Happy

To get a Lad to move a muscle, you have to establish credibility over a period of time (and I admit to being woefully impatient) and adding another highly complex and difficult fake personna into the mix makes it more likely that you'll get caught out.

There is also the fact that they do not like to come up against aggressive Lads. They are very sensitive about that, and that's an area I am trying to exploit, but I fear we will just swap insults or they will expect 'quid quo pro' (something in exchange) to form any relationship - but baiting is all about trying out ideas and experimenting, to me anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

See pg. 5 of this bait thread for an example of exactly what you proposed. Bicycle insurance guy totally believed his emails were being intercepted by an "Africa fraudster" posing as his superior in the company. It probably helped that he was being mass baited and so was confused / ticked / fraudstrated. This dolla choppa was actually very smooth and wrote in impeccable English; maybe in this case that intimidated the original mugu. Worf and I have a co-bait going where the choppa claims to be the mugu's underling (legal assistant), so it works in that direction too.

In my hands the chopper never contacts mugu directly; it's all second-hand and forwarded emails. The technique works occasionally, doesn't require the phone so can be done by one baiter by email, and depends a lot on the mugu's temperament as well as the timing of the chop.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:59 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I have introduced dolla' choppin' lads in a couple of different baits, but I always use someone from a country far away from the lad.

I figure it's just too difficult to write in pigdin, let alone try to speak it convincingly, and most lads will want to have a phone conversation, as Gomer has already suggested.

I used a London UK petty criminal to steal a payment to an NOK scammer, by having the victim "mail" the check to the bank. Circumstances were very favorable- the lad claimed to be in London, but I knew he was in Nigeria. My fake lad just happened to work at the bank where the check was sent, and just "took the opportunity".

You can evaluate your particular bait, then construct characters and circumstances that fit. Don't do it too soon though, you have to make the lad genuinely believe that you have sent a payment, and that can take weeks, even months to get him in that frame of acceptance.

As others have mentioned, you can do this yourself- why not give it a try?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:43 am Reply with quoteBack to top

What everyone else said, and don't worry about speaking the lad's dialect. While many scammers do communicate with each other in Pidgin, Igbo, Yoruba, etc., a lot of them use English English. Maybe they think it makes them sound smarter than the average mugu (which it might), maybe there are other reasons I've never thought of. Thing is, if your character's English is better than your scammer, you can hold it over him.

If you don't want to try the dolla-chop because you don't want to get caught impersonating a lad, then your second character can be anyone you can think up. Psychotic lovers, suspicious employers, less-than-faithful partners, clergymen, hairdressers... the list goes on.

And don't worry about getting caught or this myth of "failing". The only way to fail as a baiter is if you a) don't bait safe or b) intentionally tell your mugu that he's been baited. Otherwise, your baits are all success stories. Trophies, safari trips and death threats are nice. Convictions are even better. But a frustrated / confused scammer is just as good!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:20 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Personally I love this modality and employed it several times. Some arrangements I made:

1. INTRODUCTION: The fake lad did not intercept the e-mail (we will not want to make lads to crazy about online security Wink ) but by coincidence he scammed the fake vic with the same format. This is best with thse Charles Solodos and Mariam Abachas in this world. For some reason the voctim trusts the fake lad more then the rignt one and sends out the first charge of money. Now a nice "dont kill di job, i won dis magga oooooo" contact may follow.

2. PIDGIN: I allways write a mixture od pidgin, igbo (from a dictionary), slang (there a dictionaries with hot phrases, too) and a version ot tortured English I invented myself. In general I decide on my wording from what I find at naija forums etc, so I tell them what I can say in their language rather that what I'd like to say. I am NOT in Nigeria but offshore, so this excuses my lack of knowledge and speach ...

3. PHONE: Yes, sometimes I use my pimpphone. But these worked as well with me: A) Give a number of another lad together with the advice "when chidi picks it, ask for ayo. dont tell chidi, he must not know" B) I call them from an internet cafe or a phoneboth from time to time.
Of course I cannot speak any pidgin, so I use real english but try to be unintelligible from time to time, and yes, I am NOT in Nigeria but offshore, ...

4. FUN: Best, after some time the fake lad rediscovers African brotherhood and passes jobs and asdvise to his new junior colleaque. This way you make sure that the next jobs of the lad will be a baiters only. And you can allways give him advise when he should ask "is this courier real?", "do we really need 1TV5?", "shall I send this silly picture?".

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

http://translator.newsignstandard.com/

This link is very useful for doing pidgin English replies, but it isn't perfcet and probably requires a bit of editing, but it's very useful nonetheless.

As has been mentioned, some Lads use Yoruba or one of the other languages and as I believe that Yoruba has 13 different dialects - you can probably get away with scruffy Pidgin which I imagine they use as their 'Lingua Franca' (common tongue).

Trying to spead Pidgin ? I'd probably rely on the voice enhancer rather than risk slipping off the rails when my brain is occupied trying to work on the bait - brain overload.

If it's not illegal or something that is not condoned here - try it. Everyone here will give you advice or an honest opinion - not tell you how you must do it.

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Pith Helmet - the 'Asparagus Kid' - Accra to Lome - You Must surly Die in The Name Of Jesus Christ
Pith Helmet - Steve - Lagos to Accra
Pith Helmet - Frank - Lagos to Cotonou - co-bait with the vampire
Pith Helmet - Shorty - Lagos to Cotonou - My Agro Base farming where i rearing chicken and other animals was set ablazed overnight and we do not know who is actual behinde all these evils! -
I and my crew was locked up for 3 good days….They wanted to charge us to court but later we are fined an huge amount of money…I asked them why did they arrest the men, they started laughing and saying all sorts mockering words! -
…because now, am left with nothing and remember i told you my Guy (Joe) gave up earlier this morning
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