How much can I shock a lad?

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Master Baiter Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 110

I tried a new "modality" where I send a typical reply to a 419 scheme, but with a nasty shock image attached to the reply. Sometimes I say "look at the picture to see how credible I am" but other times I do not refer to the picture itself.

So far one lad either didn't see it or somehow thought it was inconsequential.

"Dear B0b ??????,

Thanks very much for your prompt response to our mail, we so much
appreciate.

The bank said that we have to provide our guradian who will apply directly
to them for the onward transfer of the money.They said that i am only the
next of kin and not the beneficiary as my father told them that the
beneficiary is a foreigner.

I knew that my father made this declaration because of his political
position as at then because he will not like anyone to raise an eye brow
being a serving senator . I knew that my father never have any business
partner or dealing with anybody, he made this money through his political
position as a long serving senator of my country zimbabwe.

The amount involved is seven million united states
dollars(US$7,000,000.00). i will offer you you 15% of this amount the rest
you will invest it for me in your company untill we finish our education in
your country .You will have to take us as your children untill we are able
to complete our Educationin in your country.

Waiting to hear from you,

Thanks and God bless you.

B3nj4m1n."
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Typical scam reply. His reward... three shock images from the same collection! If he responds again I will send more. I'll see how long it takes for this guy to stop (OR snap).

Not quite a Newb Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 41

It's not new, and I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with it, but just in you didn't know, we'd appreciate you not posting your pictures.

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Other shocking material, such as pictures of mutilation, death or other offensive non-sexual images are completely forbidden. Again, if your posts features anything way over the top will be deleted.

Master Baiter Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 110

Oh, yeah, I have no intentions of posting any such pictures on 419Eater.

If the lad continues, I will increase the number of offensive images per e-mail sent. It would be hilarious to have a lad start pitching a WUXfer even after having deluges of offensive images sent to him.

I also want to see if any send angry messages at me (a sort of trophy?)

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:08 am

Hey Texas, do you know what a Dupont spinner is? Dupont is one of the makers of dynamite. Apparently there are people that go out and fish with sticks of dynamite. Really chews up the fish and makes catch and release a joke. We scambait. Slowly and gently we get them to take the artificial lures that we wrapped ourselves and play them for as long as we can and eventually as hard as we can so that they cannot scam anyone else. Ever see a fly fisherman play a native trout so that the leader does not break? The fisherman will turn the head of fish so that it wants to swim right into the net. That's real fishing.

Edit.- I hit submit before I was ready.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 41

Connie explained it well, but to be a bit more blunt, what you describe isn't baiting.

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1731

@Connie L. Gus

Do you actually know about dynamite fishing? Actually it only stuns the fish which can be then scooped up with a net. Very Happy

No one will probably understand my sense of humor.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:35 am

You got me. I've never dynamited any fish. I've heard that dynamite has been used to collect tropical fish. It does destroy the coral and the majority of the fish not killed outright do not live a week. Closest I ever came to that was dropping a cherry bomb down the loo in middle school. I don't think I stunned any blind brown trout. The point that I wanted to make to the OP was that attaching a bomb to baiting email really was not baiting. I feel the same way with burning the lad at the end of a bait.

Edit- I've also never heard of tropic fish.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:44 am

TexasBaiter, there is a lot of wisdom in what Connie said.

Think of baiting of something in two parts. First is to waste as much of the lad's time as possible. Second is to prank him. Get him to get some tattoos, send him on a safari, etc. Remember that it takes time and efforts to do that. Some people here will work for months before getting a trophy picture and even longer for a safari.

You have to ask yourself what you're trying to accomplish. Sending shock pictures right away certainly isn't a way to keep your lad communicating with you.

Don't lose sight of the first part. That's what it's all about to begin with. Have fun doing that Smile

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:52 am

I think it's much more shocking for the lad if he walks/rides his goat to Western Union and finds out that there is no money than sending a daily collection of pics taken from Rotten.
The more you let him walk to retrieve non-existent money, the more you'll shock the lad.
After a while change the route of his walk and let him go to Moneygram, so he can also enjoy other areas of his hometown.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:00 am

You should really know the customer. Build up to the shock. Hint around. Kinda like sex. Not everyone like a wham bam thank you lad. Then leave them asking for more.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:48 am

FWIW, I've occasionally tried to gross a lad out with sick photos. The lack of response was rather overwhelming, so I've abandoned that avenue. I get much better replies with voodoo pictures and curses.

@TexasBaiter: Burning the lad isn't recommended, so if you want to pursue this you should check out those Insulting Mass Bait threads for fresh penpals.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:17 am

Your lad isn't responding to your pics beacuse he's not looking at them. Why should he? There's no incentive for him.

It's just too aggressive, and not really baiting.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:56 pm

If you really want to shock the lads, try setting your character up as someone or something more and more outrageous with each bait. Eventually you will learn what their breaking points are, and what outrageous stories they *will* go along with. Others here have said that lads generally avoid drug dealer characters and weapons-smuggler characters. On the other hand, I have several lads trying to scam 'dead presidents' and there have been numerous accounts of lads that have no qualms scamming '12 year old rich kids.'

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:27 pm

I've had lads send me some pretty shocking photos. What did I do? Nothing. That's probably what he'll do. Nothing. People aren't trying to harp on you Texas. It's just that the better route to take would be to actually play along, rather than just bomb him with gay pr0n.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:26 pm

I tend to agree with what others have said. Lad's don't shock easily. They typically bomb thousands and thousands of people a day and probably get all kinds of replies.

It's fun to get a rise out of them if you can, but I think most lads would simply hit delete and move on to the next email. What you're doing immediately informs them that you are not a potential victim, so they can happily move on. In that sense, you're doing them a favor.

If you really want to annoy them, make them think you're a real victim. Get them to spend a few months communicating with you and frustrate them with lots of little questions about the process, and problems getting your money together. Get them in trouble with their bosses for failing to collect your cash, and train them to drop real victims in the future when they encounter hurdles.

Get their bank accounts closed and shut down their fake web sites. That will annoy them much more effectively, and might even save a few real victims in the process.

If you can tie them up with filling out meaningless forms, or get them to travel to the airport or other countries to meet you, that's great too. Just imagine the shock when they realize they have done all that you have asked, only to find another obstacle in their path to "easy" money.

Master Baiter Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 110

Eh, it's cool! I have a bunch of real baits, with the longest stemming from two months ago.

Moderator Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 14513

@Texas

I like to insult lads and send them some very nasty images on occasion. You can check out the mass insult thread at http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118139 where there is an extensive discusion of the modality and it results. But there is no way for me to bait them after that.

Now, an angle to consider is to insult them after you have slowly brought them into a bait, gotten them off script, and really wasted their time and gotten their hopes up and then drop the bomb on them Twisted Evil

. I usually wait until I have really played them for a substantial period of time and I tend to reserve this treatment for lads who have really hit a nerve with me (e.g., charity scammers, dying child scammers etc.).

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:54 am

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insult them after you have slowly brought them into a bait, gotten them off script, and really wasted their time...

What? That is not advisable, as they will quickly learn the difference between a baiter and a victim.

We do not want to educate lads.

(Have I been trolled?)

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:30 pm

^^Really there is no advice either way. It is up to each individual baiter whether they want to tell the lad or not. I usually do not tell the lad but I have seen cases where telling the lad would be appropriate.

*** BANNED *** Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 164

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We scam bait. Slowly and gently we get them to take the artificial lures

I am more a trawler man,my mission statement is to answer every scam email I receive,
that doesn�t give me the luxury to have elaborate baits but I keep them on board for a couple of days.I waste a lot of Lads time for a little while

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:23 pm

One of the great things about baiting is that the baiter is always right. It's the corollary to the mugu always being wrong. Just like kubis I still seine net my boxes by responded to every mugu that comes my way but still enjoy the pursuit of the trophy. A few years ago I had two of my boxes closed on me as a result of TOS violations after sending out some really bad stuff. I thought it was all good, but early last year I stopped slapping the lads with references to their sexual orientation and I know I am a better baiter for it. We do the lads a service by getting them to twig for an unwarranted slap or letting them know they have been baited. If we really hated them because of that special modality, we should string them along even further.

*** BANNED *** Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 164

If you follow the rules by not scanning documents to the Lads some baits are a non starter, you dare not mention Bible Classes or Church.
My lads don�t know they have been baited, they just think I am stupid which isn�t a bad assumption

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:12 am

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But there is no way for me to bait them after that.

True, Dev, but you can always rebait them from another email addie!

Moderator Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 14513

Dr. is right. You can always re-bait them.

Master Baiter Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 110

Yeah, when I did the shock bait I got zero insults.

When I did a bait with an "American soldier" in Benin and he somehow figured I twigged him, the conversation went like this:
* Him: Get lost bitch. don't ever fuck around with me next time or else, you will get it hurt. Fuck you asshole 0lg4, fucking his mother in a full pit of shit
* Me: Excuse me? I just flew out to Morocco, and I was going to tell you that Western Union there was closed. This is extremely rude of you. I made reservations to meet you and tried to be as accommodating as possible. Perhaps I'll just go to Benin for vacation.
* Him: FUCK YOU, TELL THAT STORY TO A CHILD OF 6 MONTHS. ARE YOU REALLY SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF VACATION? VACATION THIS EARLY STAGE OF THE YEAR? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK BITCH
* Me: As I am about to leave for Benin, you made me laugh. Of course I understand the meaning of a vacation; as the CEO of my company I can take a vacation when I want, eat foie gras and caviar when I want, and sleep in the finest hotels.

I decided to call my friend St3ll4 3z3... she works as my secretary.

When she heard about this she told me that you were not a very trustworthy soldier.

Then she called you a "small boy" and a "bingo mumu mahu" and that I shouldn't deal with people like that. I don't know what those words mean, she said them with seriousness. So, that's what you are - a small boy and a bingo mumu mahu.

- Olga

I love using "Bingo Mumu Mahu" - I saw "Gilbert Murray" use it, so I see that "Bingo Mumu Mahu" + "Small Boy" = success!

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