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 would it be ethical ?? has someone done it?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Got me a Lad that is my favorite pet, but in my bait there are twists and turns every day and lately some hacker (me) broke into his machine and to mine and took over the bait, making me pay him thinking i was paying the Lad, then the Hacker contacted the Lad, to strike a deal but the Lad refused and warned me about the hacker sending me all the mails the hacker sent him.
Now the hacker is quiet upset, because the victim hired an IT company to repair and fix all the damage the hacker has done, so the hacker is now of the deal...and very angry, so as the hacker is a terrible VLAD belonging to one of the most brutal crime families in Russia, he know wants to put a "contract" on the lad's head, 10.000$ paid by WU ( Rolling Eyes ) on Pic of dead Lad.

well having some details on the lad, would it be right if i would send out a mass mail to all the mail addies of known lads with the contract and details of the Lad? what IF he actually gets popped off?
wet dream i know but what if.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Interesting - can a lad be an ITP?

I wouldn't do it because it promotes violence that is out of my control. I prefer to have my lads hurt THEMSELVES, so there is nothing to blame but their own greed. Inadvertently hiring a hit-man to go after your pet is a little dicey in my head.

Interesting to see how it shapes up either way, though.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The old adage with ethics is that as long as you don't break any of the "Commandments", do what you feel comfortable with.
Personally, I'd be very comfortable with this. Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I heard the word "ethics" and I came running.

My, my your tune has changed a bit from the bunker.Laughing

Are you sure the details you have for your lad are real?



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

yes...^^^

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

If you can get a lad confirmed kill mate then you will earn my undying respect. Make sure you get video evidence of the deed though Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

well i have not done it YET @rodus, it's just a twist im considering at the moment...

Make no mistake tho, by no means a boy lad.

I want him to feel chased...my fear is that someone might be stupid enough and actualy do it...then i would miss his 20m phone calls from Nigeria, and the all the lovelly SMS i get on my mobile.

that could lead to some serious moral and legal issues...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Don't worry about the phone calls etc, there are plenty more lads out there who also think it's good to talk.
moral issues - for you to decide
legal issues - and leo's are going to prove that you had a part in getting a 419 scammer to meet his untimely demise and extradite you to his home country to stand trial? That's just a wee bit unlikely.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

well the "morals" of it are getting to me...come on guys some more views are wellcome, and the question still stands, has someone else tried something like this?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This is without a doubt the worst idea i have ever come across in my time here.

Send an ASEM to hundreds of lads asking for a confirmed kill pic of a lad for 10 grand???
Lads will terrorise an ITP to get a sign pic, for 10 grand i,m sure they would slot some poor bastard and claim its your lad.
I,m all for getting some scumbag wasted but i think it needs to be a bit more controlled.
If i read this whole thing wrong i apologise but somehow i think i didn,t.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

FF wrote:
...and the question still stands, has someone else tried something like this?


Of course! We have lads killed every day. Didn't you see the sticky: "How to get your lad killed and other highly illegal and ethically provocative bating techniques?" I'm sure that's around here somewhere. Wink

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Frederick, please don't take this the wrong way, but are you seriously pondering this question, or are you just trying to figure out where other baiters draw the lines you seem to be hunting for?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm gonna say, if you have to ask then you probably shouldn't do it. Not necessarily because it's "wrong," but because obviously that little voice deep down inside is telling you it's wrong for *you.* Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Bombardier, as i said, i am toying with the idea, at my age i don't ask i do things or get things done, in this case, well the idea just seemed to make sence BUT a lot of angles to it, therefore my question, and no need to apologize here THAT is what i wanted, a real opinion

@luckey, i did that on my world famous ethics thread Laughing , and yes i am considering it, measuring it, evaluating it.

@bearkat...yeah i do have that stupid cricket wispering on my ear... Confused

its's just that...it sooooo fits my bait... Confused tempting
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Wow. Whole new ball game.

If you get a confirmed kill, you will earn:
1 A whole new sig icon, perhaps a tomb stone
2 A whole new ethics thread, where many will be offended or elated, or varying degrees of both
3 Possible interest by Interpol
4 A very long "expose" article about how evil scam baiters are (this would certainly prove it to some people)
5 Possible regret later in life. While the lads are scummy pieces of shit, scarming little old ladies out of their retirement funds, etc, killing them is, IMO, a bit extreme. Life, even of a worthless scarmer, is irreplaceable. Trust me, if you have him killed, it will not be fun, and you will most likely regret it. It's better to humiliate and bankrupt them!

Lastly, not being a lad hugger, but... as Bombardier rightly pointed out, any one of the lads might be willing to put a toe tag on the wrong mugu for a chance at the "reward" money. That, alone, would be a deal breaker for me, but... you do whatever you feel tight about, and be sure to share with the rest of us!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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1 A whole new sig icon, perhaps a tomb stone


hmmm...not after that

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2 A whole new ethics thread, where many will be offended or elated, or varying degrees of both


Laughing Laughing Laughing YESSSSS!

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3 Possible interest by Interpol


that would be...imteresting...

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4 A very long "expose" article about how evil scam baiters are (this would certainly prove it to some people)


THAT does worry me, and i think it would cast serious doubts in our efforts and the whole communiy in general...

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5 Possible regret later in life. While the lads are scummy pieces of shit, scarming little old ladies out of their retirement funds, etc, killing them is, IMO, a bit extreme. Life, even of a worthless scarmer, is irreplaceable. Trust me, if you have him killed, it will not be fun, and you will most likely regret it. It's better to humiliate and bankrupt them!


THAT would not worrie me, or even make me loose sleep, on the contrary.

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Lastly, not being a lad hugger, but... as Bombardier rightly pointed out, any one of the lads might be willing to put a toe tag on the wrong mugu for a chance at the "reward" money. That, alone, would be a deal breaker for me, but... you do whatever you feel tight about, and be sure to share with the rest of us!


this is a very powerful argument. and a valid point too, on the whole it worries me as miuch as the damage that such an action could do to the comunity, and the adverse impact on the fight against this scum.

as i said this is just a discussion about an idea.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

FF wrote:
its's just that...it sooooo fits my bait... Confused tempting


Can't you just fake it somehow? I mean, make your lad truly believe hit-men are coming after him?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

yes i can too, that was in fact the idea that originated this thinking...

the thought was just there one given moment of how nice ti would feel for him to feel chased.

i am very awere of my own opinions and of general angles that could be negative for the baiting comunity, and from the onset i could see a lot of issues with the idea, and even if tempted, it is nevertheless just an idea.

having said that i posted here beacuse i needed to hear from other people that my own arguments are right and its probably an idead that would lead to situations not only out of my control, but with also practical negative aspects on the comunity.
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Damn! I seem to have misplaced my trout...

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hmmmm Shocked trout...
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Please do not mention trout in any new ethics threads Callum. The tribbles get jealous.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'd rather bankrupt and humiliate the lads and see them surfer as small bois across lagos state because y'know death is just too good for those S.O.B.s. Just my piddly 2 cents...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:21 am Reply with quoteBack to top

So far I have always done my best to avoid the ethics threads. But you did ask for different opinions, right? So I will offer up my two cents just this once. Just understand that I do not mean to step on any toes here. I'm just trying to give my own personal opinion and it may not work for some people. So here is my own viewpoint, which you can "take it or leave it" as you see fit:

I don't understand what the big fuss is over the ethics involved in most of the issues that are brought up. Scambaiting in and of itself is a form of vigilantism, which is not an ethical pursuit to begin with. Sure, we want our politicians to follow certain ethical standards, because they represent us. We want our business partners to remain ethical, because they reflect on us in our business dealings. We want ethical scientists and ethical doctors. But ethical vigilantism? In my baiting, I don't focus on ethics so much as results vs consequences. If I can bankrupt a lad, that is results. If I have to spend a lot of time and money in the process, that is consequences. I won't involve an ITP in my baits, not due to ethics, but because that is not a desirable consequence. If, however, an ITP loans my lad some money on the promise of a big payoff, and then after the lad twigs, the guy comes and hunts him down and beats the phooey out of him, that is a good consequence.
There are other similar issues. Cash baiting? I'm not against it, because it's a good result. I haven't ever done it, because it never came up in one of my baits. But IF it should ever happen that my bait suggested a cash-baiting modality, I wouldn't refrain simply due to the ethics of it. But I wouldn't publish it due to possible consequences for eater. If it ever hit the newspapers that eater was encouraging people to cash bait, it would be bad news all the way around.
And then there is your idea for a hit. I definitely wouldn't publish it in the forum. I wouldn't make it easy for an ITP to be involved. And I wouldn't send out a mass bait suggesting it to random lads. One of them will forward your email to the police, sure as anything. And just because your IP doesn't show up in your header doesn't necessarily mean that you cannot be found if interpol were looking.
It's just a question of consequences. But if I could safely kill a lad, I probably would.

Like I said, it's just my own opinion. Take it or leave it.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I would just recommend sending out the lad's picture on a photoshopped gay pr0n magazine instead. Send it out to the surrounding lads. If anything, he will get heckled. Maybe include that he steals people's magas as well. That would add a nice touch.

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