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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I've been thinking about it. Yes I do 'think' occasionally!

What is the purpose of mass baiting? We concentrate on one lad at the expense of many hundreds of others because somebody takes exception to their approach, maybe from personal experience or general stuff that upsets them...say like lottery lads, love lads or phone lads. Whilst I understand their pain, IMHO we sometimes concentrate too much on one lad instead of taking it out on all of them.

What we need to do is spread ourselves a bit more thinly. So many lads so little time, and all that.

This post is meant to provoke debate and not be provocative. Over to you.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:44 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

One person on one lad will usually only take up a fraction of his time leaving him open to scam real victims, if a lad is dealing with a large number of baiters it can take up nearly all his time.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^Yeah. But the other 99 lads are still scamming with impunity whilst we concentrate on that one. If we all had one each and hooked and tormented them that would be better than just one lad getting all the grief.

At the end of the day I don't think special attention or general attention will ever stop them scamming, but at least we spread the net wider and keep them occupied.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I refer to my earlier point, most baiters can only occupy a lad for a small amount of time daily, they can't be on safari all the time and he'll be scamming with impunity the rest of the time, which is why a group of baiters on one lad can curtail his scamming significantly for a certain length of time. No we can't stop them scamming but a lad who as had every victim (baiter) go wrong will be a much more twitchy and untrusting lad then one who has just had a single vic go pear shaped.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I agree with asking the question in Tommo's post.

I don't have any answers, but sometimes just asking the question is what matters.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Quite right too otterfan. Tough question.

I agree with Tommo's original point, mass baiting (although I've never partaken) does indeed seem to concentrate on just one lad where otherwise many lads could have been baited. Bit of a potential waste of baiters time if you like, I see that.

I also see Rodus's point of view, in that an individual bait may only take a few minutes of an individual scammer's time.

I'd tend to sway with Tommo here, for what it's worth, and I know many would disagree. (Fairly, in my opinion, it's a point worth arguing).
I've always stuck to just baiting a scammer alone, and I'll stick to that. Spreading the love as I believe it's called!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Never done a mass bait myself, but I don't dislike the logic behind it. When I bait, I typically only have 3-5 involved baits at one time. But I try to make them really count. I try to get every lad on safari. That's just my goal. Obviously, it doesn't work all of the time. But that is why I only bait a few at a time. That way, I can REALLY devote to them every bit of attention that they need.

Let's say that 100 of us bait 3 separate lads. We waste their time. That is 300 lads whose time is wasted. This is just a drop in the bucket considering the number of lads we have. We may waste an hour a day. Maybe. However, odds are, we won't waste that much. That lad will still have time for other victims.

Now, let us look at a mass bait. Let us say that 100 of us are still baiting 2 lads separately and 1 cooperatively. So, that is 201 lads whose time is wasted. Numerically speaking, the other way seems like a no brainer. But if you think that this lad is getting 99% baiter email, he probably will have much less for real victims. So, by 100 people making that 1 lad their pet, they have effectively put a huge damper on one lad, rather than a very small damper on 100 lads.

Make sense?

I have never done a mass bait myself, as I said. But I can definitely understand the good that it does.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

hmmm...I fail to see the issue with the Mass bait, for me is just one more to add to the other 8 that i'm doing at the moment, so it's not like its dispersing my time or anything.

On the other hand, for me is just one more lad, that spends a few moments a day busy solving the puzzles that i send him, but because a few more people are baitng him at the same time then tose few moments are exponensionaly increased to the point in which he spends a couple of hours a day jumping through loops.

I say that the optimal scenario would be the one in wich baiters would comsume the total time and resources of a lad until such point as he is out of "business".

I tend to compare it to Antibiotics, what is the point of taking one pill??? you either do the all profilaxy or its a waste of time and not only the bacteria get used to it to the point of becoming resistant, but you also have to restart the treatment from the beggining with a stronger dose.

thousands of baiters baiting thousands of lads waste a few minutes of their time a day, thousands of baiters baiting 100 lads would be 100 lads to busy to hurt a victim and probably out of business in no time, because of no income.

well my view anyway, rather be part of a Mass bait that is targeting one single lad, for no special reason other that he is a lad.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Odd, but I have noticed a few of my lads who have gotten twigged by someone and have just started a new profile and email account. One I'm working right now has at least 6 different pages on Myspace. It looks like he's been creating a new identity about every 3 months for the last 2 years.

I wonder if it's because they're running into baiters left and right now? I think the most effective plan of attack would be to coordinate 3 or 4 baiters to a lad and no more. That way baiters could plan attacks and even get a better idea of what the lad is up to. And more baiters could spread out over more lads.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I generally just add the mass bait lad to my "stable". I don't spend much time on him.

The way I look at it, because there are say 20 of us hitting him I only have to do a little bit. The rest of the real victims get lost in the chatter I hope. It does not take away from the rest of my baits so I look at it as a bonus.

Real life keeps me from doing too may baits at once, so adding a mass bait which may last for a few weeks and takes no real thought is good for me.

I think the lad gets burned so much so quickly he will give up that modality. I have no thought it will make him give up 419'ing, but might slow him down for a few weeks while we all take a shot at him.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Part of my reason for posing the question was because I sometimes think we often get carried away with trying to outdo each other with one particular lad as to who can in the end get the biggest death threat (guilty as charged!) etc. instead of spreading the love amongst the rest of them.

We all have our specialties, but I'm thinking if there was some way of tying up the maximum amount of lads with the minimum amount of effort I would be a very happy man. I think we need a fresh approach. What it is, God only knows.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

well for a new approach what about geting a group of baiters together that have totaly different stiles of baiting, the more different the better and pour it all on a lad till his head pop's out...or he runs out of the door of the internet caffe scraming wildly and pulling his hair off...whichever comes first Laughing

that would for sure keep a lad busy
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Frederick Fokker wrote:
hmmm...I fail to see the issue with the Mass bait, for me is just one more to add to the other 8 that i'm doing at the moment, so it's not like its dispersing my time or anything.


That was my thought. It wouldn't really take me away from other baits.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Right. Another question.

Who would rather bait the widow of the ubiquitous Shell Oil executive that got killed on whatever plane/ highway (yawn), or would you rather jump on the bandwagon and hit the hitman or Charles S0lud0? I'm guilty of it. The boring ones slip through the net, because they aren't potentially as entertaining.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You've got some good debates going tonight Tommo, personally I like the dull, easily overlooked ones. There's slightly less chance of another baiter playing with them which means they may be more gullible and pliable. If a lads been chopped, v3rified, safari'd etc then he's bound to be harder work and more suspicious.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Other things to note are that mass baits allow baiters to work together and compare notes. It's a great way to come up with new methods to make lads' lives hell, which get passed down to the other lads people are baiting. It's also a pretty good way to create comradery among baiters. When you're working the same lad, friendships and alliances are bound to be formed, which can only be a good thing. It's also a great way for people new to a particular type of bait to get their feet wet without feeling so much pressure on them. So just looking at it from a baiter point of view, it's a good thing.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^I'm eating some grapes right now. Can you see them? I agree with you wayne. Share the love.

I join in the mass bait just about every time one is posted up. It does not bother the 8 or 9 special friends that I have been stringing along or the two bait boxes that I have on autoreply that are sending messages to literally hundreds of other lads. Having them call my K7 number or forwarding them photos takes very little effort on my part. If anything, the quality of my baiting has improved as I work to not have them twig right away.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

... and of course there are different types of mass baits. There are the generic mass baits such as the Cheque Mule Scammers and Lotto Lads too.

I chose Lotto Lads to bring love into their lives as they are the roaches of the scam world and tend only to get dealt with by specialist baiters or baiters who take one on as a challenge.

As mentioned, the joint effort has led to specialist tactics and new ways to make their lives truly miserable being developed. It is also a good way for a noob to join in with more experienced baiters and get practical experience.

I am handling many more baits in this way than I would normally - like a production line.

Then there have been mass baits that are personal, like the Noma one that was especially offensive (the scam was, not the bait).

The mass baits have a place, but I know what you mean.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I agree with Fred. Mass baits are a great way to waste their time at a fraction of ours.

I loved dealing with the bike insurance mass bait and, as someone who was new to baiting, it was fantastically rewarding and educational for me. I learned Eufnanafa,ogre and ITV5, and out of it I got my own, well used, K7 number.

But, you raise some good points, too.

Having said that, I am going to keep mass baiting!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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I sometimes think we often get carried away with trying to outdo each other with one particular lad as to who can in the end get the biggest death threat


Welcome to Human Psychology! Wink

However, I don't think that >WE< as a team are trying to out do another baiter, I think that we're here to help each other out and waste the scammers time (and many many other things, obviously!).

I don't mass bait, I won't ever do it (due to time, and work), but I DO see the reason behind it. It's only ONE lad, it's not going to effect the other baits we have going.

Plus I'd be VERY tempted to ask him if he's selling any puppies Laughing!
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Connie L. Gus wrote:
^^^I'm eating some grapes right now. Can you see them?


We demand photographic proof!! Laughing

I'm glad the noma mass bait was brought up. For those that missed it, it's well worth looking up the thread (but don't necro please) to see just how much good a mass bait can do.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Of course, Tommo, what we all want to know is: How is mass baiting like making love to a beautiful woman?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:12 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I have attempted a few mass baits but in general I was late on the bait and didn't get far. If that means the scammer was so busy with the baiter's that he didn't bother with me then thats great.
The goal of a lad loosing faith in baiting all together would be wonderful.
Hard to prove. If one lad gave up scamming altogether from a mass bait that would be a great result.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:45 am Reply with quoteBack to top

@dr stephen williams

Mass debating of mass baiting is very much like making love to a beautiful woman...but not half as much fun. Very Happy

@everybody else

Thank you all for you input. I'm not denigrating mass baits per se. I would rather make 10 lads lives a misery rather than one lads a complete misery. If you mass bait one lad and keep your other 9 lads 'happy' at the same time then fair play to you.

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Frederick Fokker
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:41 am Reply with quoteBack to top

@tomo, this are indeed good questions, i personaly believe that it is debate that allows for the birth of new ideas, and for different minds to come together.

I do not personly have a type of lad that i hate the most or even like, i'm a democrat, i hate them all the same way Very Happy , no collor of skin, creed or hairstyle influences me liking a lad, vlad or my ex mother in law, their all the same (except my ex mother in law which is in a category of her own)

Having said that, i think that i agree with most opininons expressed here, Mass baits seem to have more of an effect on a lad then just a normal bait, and it does allow noobs, like me Very Happy , to elarn a lot from more experienced baiters.

What i think i miss on mass baits tho, is perhaps something that is done in real life to potenciate the effectivness of a team.
Choosing the right elements to the team to meake sure that all specialitys are covered, and only then attacking the problem.
Having said that my "dream Mass bait" would be the one that would start whith such a team of baiters being put together, and only then starting a bait. That way a Lad would be under a microscope, and that would possibly bring more effective results.

Don't know if this was tried before, just my 2 cents
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