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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:05 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Someone had said that this attack is costly for the vlads... I am just wondering why that is. I am sure it is something obvious that I do not see.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:24 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Since I don't want to make my own thread (as I'm sure there are many already), I'll ask my own question also.


Is there a way to prevent this type of attack in the future, or do we just have to wait and hope that they get bored?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:37 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Small to medium attacks, we can mitigate (not prevent) - large attacks like this one almost impossible. Personally I have been doing mental gymnastics examining the packets coming in trying to find a unique trait that would allow me to filter them out. I have had limited success doing this just as I think I have it! boom - a new lot of bots arrive.

Just to give you an idea here I have counted well over 3000 individual ip's attacking the server. I have no choice but to point the ip for forum.419eater.com to 127.0.0.1 (a loopback basically)

Currently on the eater server I have blocked all ip's stemming from Korea (the main protagonist of bots (on eater at least)) and Russia (well as many as I can) still hundreds get through - there is only so much one can do to mitigate this.

There are companies out there who charge thousands per month, with tons of bandwidth to mitigate it for you. We simply do not have that kind of money. Hate to say this but at the moment all you have is lil ol me! and I'm doing the best I can in between work / home life and various other sites that I help out with.

I think you ask a fair question, I'm sorry that I simply do not have the answer you would like to hear.

@Mike - to answer your question. Basically the Vlads are paying a "Bot Master" i.e a person who controls these thousands of bots to attack us.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:24 am Reply with quoteBack to top

So this really is not costing the vlads anything at all except to pay whoever controls the bots?

Is it poss to find out the computer controlling this and point the address at it?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:42 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:53 am Reply with quoteBack to top

By "poss" I assume you mean possible.

Some of this is based on my understanding and how I would do it if I was to. IANAX

Bots are controlled by putting a command on a server somewhere. The program is designed to check this server for commands when the zombied computer logs into the internet. I doubt whoever controls it would use the same server every time. They would also be compromised servers. Also, I would set up the programs to help each other so a single server with thousands of computers trying to access it would not trigger any alarms.

You would need a sample of the bot running to watch what it does. Then what? Call the server owner? The compromised servers are probably run by people who could care less and who would do something about them? As fast as they are cleaned, new ones will come on line. The bots already have their instructions and will run until the owners clean their computers.

Ignorant computer owners are the biggest problem.

So the answer to your question is "no".

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

mike hunter wrote:
So this really is not costing the vlads anything at all except to pay whoever controls the bots?

Botnets don't come cheap, MH. Most DDoS attacks last a day or 2 and are directed at a single site; we (the anti-scam community as a whole) have been getting hammered for weeks now. You can bet it's costing the vlads a pretty penny to keep after us like this.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:35 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok well that goes to my question.... what are they paying for? The use of the botnet? The controllers time? I am not sure why you say it is costing a pretty penny.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:11 am Reply with quoteBack to top

The Vlads and/or Ivans behind this attack are paying for both the botnet and the botmaster's time. Botmasters (those who control and direct botnets) are criminals, hijacking thousands of unwitting victims' computers via virii that turn a regular home computer into a zombie bot that obeys the master's commands until, as Dr Who said, the owner wakes up and cleans the crapware from their system. Botmasters hire out their botnets and services to other criminals for a fee, usually for hosting illegal websites or for staging DDoS attacks like the one we are currently experiencing.

This takes quite a bit of effort (building the botnet, maintaining control, and programming an attack), for which the botmaster expects to be well paid. Like the "faker makers" who create many of the fake websites that attract the attention of the site killer crowd, botmasters are often "contractors", who do the technical dirty work for scammers who don't have the skills to do it themselves. That being the case, it's a fair bet that hiring a botmaster to stage a prolonged attack, via a botnet several thousand computers strong, on multiple websites defining an entire community, is certainly costing them more than a pretty penny.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It'll have cost the vlads thousands of USD, and will soon probably run in to the hundreds of thousands if the attack keeps up. A lot of trojan authors also sell their programs often for a couple of hundred dollars so it's a very lucrative business. The bigger the botnet the larger the cost, for example a 5,500 computer net would (according to a few online articles) cost about $350 for a day. The one attacking us is much larger and has been going on longer, so you get the idea.
Basically we're costing the vlads a bloody fortune and we're still here Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:35 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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It'll have cost the vlads thousands of USD, and will soon probably run in to the hundreds of thousands...


Sadly, all financed by the proceeds of crime...check scams... love scams...racketeering...drugs...prostitution...human trafficking... etc etc. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:08 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^^^ Sadly that is true, but on the other hand, the money they are spending to attack us and other sites, is money they can't spend on cars, bars, women and casinos.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:30 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^^...and Premiership football clubs. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:35 am Reply with quoteBack to top

SlayerFaith wrote:
You can bet it's costing the vlads a pretty penny to keep after us like this.


And the beautiful thing is, they're just wasting their money! We're still up and running and they don't even realize it.

good job, Rover and company! Thanks for all your work!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:35 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It may have been financed by crime but the approximate amount of money contributed to the Russian economy by nefarious means is $20 billion a year. Most things there seem to be financed by dodgy money.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Tommo Shanter wrote:
^^^^...and Premiership football clubs. Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:16 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Just a thought,

Rodus Longus mentioned, this attack is costing about $350 a day, now if the idiots have bought a $10,000 package, then at $350 per day, this equals out about 28 and a half days.

CC reported that they have been under attack since the 2nd of September, then the 28 days would end as from this Sunday(31).

It could be that one site was chosen and other sites have been added to the original package.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

My company was an "ignorant computer owner" for a while. We were being used as a spam relay and since we had plenty of bandwidth and server space, our IT guys only noticed when our domain got blacklisted. This was some time ago, and we have new (better) IT guys now. My point is, there are a lot of computer owners out there that don't know what they don't know. Individuals and businesses alike.

Broadband is so prevalent now, and so many computers are on all the time, regardless of how often they are used, bot nets must be more potent than ever.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The next question, how can I tell I'm clean or what should I look for to make sure that.... Running all kind of anti virus and firewall things, but with no real knowledge I might as well be in the chain. Shutting the computer down when not used is one thing I do. But if they "hacked" an eatermember they might know all changes as they happen. :banghead: Those things are getting too complicated for an entertainment center, cause all you can do with them is play Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

All you can do is keep your anti virus database up to date and scan regularly.

From what I know, it's virtually impossible to keep on top of all the various flavours of trojans and stuff because they evolve so quickly.

It takes someone 'in the know' to notice what is going on first before a countermeasure can be developed.

I read in a pc magazine a while back that in a lot of cases, it can be six months or more before anyone has any idea they are infected with one.

The good guys are always playing catch up. Sad

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Back to Mike's question about pointing at the "boss" and taking him out:

From what I've read (disclaimer, I could be wrong) the botnet system isn't like one hive with one queen, where you can take out the queen and destroy and confuse the whole hive. It's more like several hives with several queens creating a superhive.
I've also read some scary discussions about the botnets becoming more sophisticated so that they can essentially "learn" and adapt Shocked Question

It would be helpful here if anyone has links to interesting/informative resources on botnets. I for one, would be glad to read them.

edit: fixed clunky wording

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Steve Gibson has written some good stuff:
http://www.grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm
But it is over 6 years old.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:44 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

These all give an interesting overview on botnets. Although they can be tremendously destructive, nets like storm worm are actually pretty impressive. The Trojan can hide, mutate and actively protect itself by ddos'ing anyone who tries to download it on purpose or port scans a computer it is resident on.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/21/mutating_storm_worm/
It also is able to resist being run under virtualization by refusing to initiate and so has to be run on a propper OS.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

L'ill ol' Rover <-- s-i-g-h ... I guess we'll just have to manage with you Cool

On a serious note, is there any reason for this sudden and sustained ddos? Did anything in particular happen in Aug or early Sep?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ima Baeder wrote:
Back to Mike's question about pointing at the "boss" and taking him out:

I've also read some scary discussions about the botnets becoming more sophisticated so that they can essentially "learn" and adapt Shocked Question



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