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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:30 am Reply with quoteBack to top

<br>Aah, the good old 'grocer's apostrophe', or should that be 'grocers apostrophe' ?

On a slightly off topic note. A poster in the gents of my local pub advertised a free and easy night of karaoke, stand up comedy etc.. If interested contact 'Mike'. The baiter and childish glee in me kicked in and I just had to pen in his surname. Can you guess what it was? Sorry, but I just couldn't resist. Very Happy

I once asked the barman at another local pub if I could borrow some chalk to correct an apostrophe omission on the menu specials board.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Really Josh? Laughing I wasn't doing that just to peeve you off, of course.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Reaper wrote:
apostrophe's, I love those little guy's ...


Ahh, the apostrophe. It's it's use that's important. Wink Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Personally, I feel that the semicolon is the most underutilized, least understood piece of punctuation there is; I am saddened that it doesn't get anywhere near the recognition that it deserves.

I misuse it every chance I get.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

TSnerd wrote:
... underutilized ...


Ok, then derutilize it.

Or does un-de-rutilize mean to reverse derutilization, meaning, without the double negative, to rutilize?

Isn't hyphenation great? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I am boycotting the hyphen for reasons best known to me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yeah. Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Grammar? The English language has grammar? Shocked I bet te nexte theng you're goeing to tell mi iz that it haz spelleeng too.

Plese tell mi this iz just a sic joek... Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sorry, it ain't no sick joke.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:20 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Average Joe: "I don't have anyone to go to the movies with."

Grammar pedant: "You shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition."

Average Joe: "I don't have anyone to go to the movies with, asshole."

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

kleindoofy wrote:
It's it's use that's important. Wink Wink


Don't you mean "it's its use that's important???" Razz Wink Wink

kleindoofy wrote:
Or does un-de-rutilize mean to reverse derutilization, meaning, without the double negative, to rutilize?


Underutilise simply means under-utilise, utilising it less often than one could. I don't think the "un" part of it is really that important, unless we think that under is the opposite of "der".

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I feel very sorry for anyone learning English as a second language with all its weird and illogical spelling and pronunciation.

"Those present voted to present the present presently"

There are a couple of inadvertant examples in my first sentence too:

Remember learning "i after e, except after c" at school? eg tIEd and concEIt. Well, yes - but not in the word "weird"

To pronOUnce = verb
PronUnciation = noun

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Josh wrote:
... Don't you mean "it's its use that's important???"


Let me put it this way: you found the mistake, but you missed the joke. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I agree Gnasher. I feel amazingly sorry for anyone trying to learn the English language - there are just so many exceptions to the rules that it must drive them insane.

I never quite got the whole pronounce, pronunce thing. Why the hell can't it just be pronounciation? I suppose it's quite ironic that particular word is pronounced oddly - perhaps it was someone's joke a few hundred years ago?

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Let me put it this way: you found the mistake, but you missed the joke.


No I see what you mean.

There's a punctuation book called "Eats, Shoots and Leaves". It tells the story of a Panda who comes in to a restaurant for some food, eats the food, shoots off his gun everywhere and then leaves. When someone asks him what the hell was that for he says "I'm a Panda, I read someone that a Panda "eats, shoots and leaves" (instead of eats shoot and leaves). I know it's a silly story but it shows how much punctuation affects the meaning of a sentence.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Zorro wrote:
English is the only truly international language.


Er.. Spanish...French...

P.S.: I can forgive anything except rogue apostrophes.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

If you want to learn an 'easy' foreign language then I'd say Spanish is a good choice. The rules of grammar, spelling and pronunciation are (mostly) consistant and logical with few irregularities so you can make fairly quick progress to a point where basic conversation is possible.

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I'm OCD on correct writing techniques. I proof read everything twice. I just tweak when I'm not sure on punctuation!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Josh wrote:
... I feel amazingly sorry for anyone trying to learn the English language ...


I feel sorry for Radden. Laughing
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From another thread here:

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ok this has me thinking right now cause im joine dup on a fourm where i think theres ALOT of UAE members on there... but saying that i no the administrator of the forum threw another forum which was shutdown which its self "due to pretty dumb newbies"was connected to a very well known forum for i forgot the name...

but im sure any possible scammers on that fourm lup an left when one of my topics warning all users on the UAE board about email scammers was very active an got alot of replies...


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@Josh - post something like that in here again, and I will hunt you down and hurt you! Twisted Evil Oh, the horror!

I'm one of the OCD mob in here. If I didn't stop myself from posting, I'd be a real grammar Nazi! And before anyone takes me to task on it, my French and German are very good, and my Italian, which I started to study comparatively recently, is coming along nicely. I can even communicate in broad Glaswegian, but I fear that would be tantamount to cruel and unusual punishment! Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Glaswegian's a whole entirely different language isn't it? Incomprehensible to outsiders....

Sorry about my earlier post, it wasn't actually something I wrote, but something I found elsewhere in this very forum which pained me so much I just had to mention it.

I'm just waiting for my girlfriend to find this thread.... you think I'm anally retentive about grammar and punctuation? She's studying for a Master's Degree in English!

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