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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

another ethics thread, already?

some reading then tell me if a tattoo is still going to far

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1641875,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3444307.stm

and those are just the tip of the iceberg.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Fine, the scammers might deserve it. But, what about their children? If the scammer has children then there is chance that they might get HIV from their parents, which will develop into AIDS. Surely they don't deserve this just because of their parent's actions?

Mod edit. Removed unneeded full quote of post directly above yours. TS

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

ceegood wrote:
As we know HIV can be passed on through needles, and, in Africa HIV is rife.

Tell him to get an "invisible" tattoo on his forehead and to send you a photo of it. By the time he figures out he can pull this off without a trip to the parlor, you'll have enjoyed a chuckle and nobody gets hurt. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

1. People get tatoos in Africa every day. At tatoo parlors. Can it be dangerous in relation to HIV? Sure. But so is sex, so maybe we should tell them not to do that either.

2. No baiter can force anybody to do anything.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

scammer is also likely to get aids from the local whores, shooting up heroin, etc. Nobody is forcing him to get a tattoo. It's of his own free will. Sure, he's being tricked into thinking there's a big cash award for it, but nonetheless, he knows the risks.

edit - beaten to it by KD, yet again Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

~kleindoofy,

Yes - but surely we shouldn't encourage them to get AIDS. How anyone can wish this upon someone is beyond me.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^^ Huh? Where did I say that?

I just mean that getting a tatoo isn't really something strange or extremely dangerous, even in Africa.

This may surprise you, but the people there aren't stupid little children. They are grown up adults and know exactly what they're doing.

If getting a tatoo in Africa were basically equal to a death sentence, tatoo parlors would be forbidden or wouldn't have any customers.

Get ready for this, hold on to your seat: many people there get them voluntarily. Every day.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

ceegood wrote:
Yes - but surely we shouldn't encourage them to get AIDS. How anyone can wish this upon someone is beyond me.


I don't get it, since when is asking for a lad to get a tattoo "encouraging them" to get AIDS Confused

Are you specifically asking the lad to request a contaminated needle? Even as dumb as the lads are often accused of being, I don't think one could be convinced of that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

jojobean in a previous incarnation of this thread wrote:
There has not yet been a documented case of AIDS transmission from a tattoo. Before you ask my source, I will give it to you- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@bean

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sorry ceegood - I wasn't intending too criticise you something you hadn't done. I was just trying to bend the issue away from appearing to criticise others. My reponse was badly worded.

If you got the scammer arrested it's going to affect his relatives and children. That's inevitable. Playing this nasty game is his choice. I won't cry if a few times he loses. He is never a victim - just unsuccessful.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

GomerPyle wrote:
If you got the scammer arrested it's going to affect his relatives and children. That's inevitable. Playing this nasty game is his choice. I won't cry if a few times he loses. He is never a victim - just unsuccessful.


Very well put....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Arent they more likely to get hepatitus? That would be cool.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:01 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh wow, Ceegood. I haven't seen anyone here wish it on them. I mean I would say there may be people out there that do wish such horrible things on them, yes. I have always said, never bet your left nut on the opinions of others. You will lose it every time.
But whats happening here is people are asking, they are making the conscious choice to do it. Its not forced - its greed. IMO, its the same with victims. I find them naive and greedy too, yes. Money, and peoples desire for more makes them to inherently stupid and sometimes even dangerous things. There is as much more chance to be killed and cause your family horrible grief as a stuntman or a construction worker. But at least they are making money honestly. If these guys actually believe money is going to rain all over them if they run down to the nearest tattoo parlour and slap on a tat, then thats their own choice, and their own stupid mistake. No amount of money in the world will see me get one.

That said, I have received a blood transfusion before and had the obligatory wait to see if I had caught any nasties before putting either my husband or new born daughter at risk. There is far less chance with a transfusion due to the very stringent tests done for blood donations, but I made a choice to protect others based on something I had no choice in because I was dead anyway if I didnt sign the form.

Everything is a choice. They can walk away and say the money is not worth it. Some do. Its those who don't, its those who place money above all else and walk into that Tattoo parlour that are putting people at risk. Not anyone here.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:26 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Some of these folks are murderers. Literally. The rest of them work for them, or hire them, or take them as partners. I don't stay up at night worrying about their fates.
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Baiting criminals isn't one of them. We fight them because noone else will. We fight for those that can't fight for themselves. If you don't want to fight then walk away and I won't think any less of you. But IF you judge me I take offense.

All I know is that I never started a thread to put non-baiters down.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:57 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Quote:
Making scammers get tattoos - Dangerous?

Nah, as long as you use an IP proxy or some other bait-safe modality. Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:10 am Reply with quoteBack to top

SlayerFaith wrote:
jojobean in a previous incarnation of this thread wrote:
There has not yet been a documented case of AIDS transmission from a tattoo. Before you ask my source, I will give it to you- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


That was gonna be my reaction.
Surley this makes this thread and question null and viod?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I can't believe this thread hasn't made it to page 2 yet!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:26 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Don, stop encouraging them!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:44 am Reply with quoteBack to top

ceegood wrote:
. . . . . make a lad in Africa get a tattoo, I didn't, but was wondering is it not dangerous for the lad? . . .


Yes, of course it is dangerous.
Here, in my first paragraph below, is part of a European Union discussion document.
The following two paragraphs are not part of that discussion document but were written by me to illustrate a point.

A gruesome list of illnesses and health problems contracted by people who have had tattoos includes viral infections such as hepatitis, HIV, bacterial and fungal infections, allergic reactions such as skin irritation, and malignant lesions such as melanoma, leprosy and other devastating diseases. Other problems associated with body art were toxic shock syndrome, tetanus, venereal ulcers, tuberculosis and a host of skin diseases.

A gruesome list of health problems contracted by people crossing the road to get to a Western Union office or internet caf includes death, serious disfigurement, amputated or broken limbs, cuts, abrasions and other devastating injuries. Other problems associated with untreated road injuries include viral infections such as hepatitis, HIV, bacterial and fungal infections, allergic reactions such as skin irritation, and malignant lesions such as melanoma, leprosy and other devastating diseases including toxic shock syndrome, tetanus, venereal ulcers, tuberculosis and a host of skin diseases.

A gruesome list of health problems contracted by internet scammers spending long periods using electrical equipment such as computers, scanners, printers etc. includes death by electrocution, repetitive strain injury, carpal tunnel syndrome, eye strain, glaucoma, blood clots, etc. Other problems associated with computer use include cuts and breaks to fingers when trapped in working pasts of, for example, printers, which may turn septic if not treated and lead to viral infections such as hepatitis, HIV, bacterial and fungal infections, allergic reactions such as skin irritation, and malignant lesions such as melanoma, leprosy and other devastating diseases including toxic shock syndrome, tetanus, venereal ulcers, tuberculosis and a host of skin diseases.

ceegood wrote:
This is not fair.

For you; a little poem without comment from me.

Life Is Not Always Fair
Life is not always fair,
It will have its ups and downs,
And the good times and the bad.
Life can be exciting and filled with joy,
Or life can be hard and filled with fright.
Life can be filled with many feelings,
The feelings could be confusing at times,
And at other times be clear.
Life will include many decisions,
And some will be major,
But most will be minor.
The decisions made during your life
Will take you down many paths.
The pathway of life you choose to take,
Will determine whether
Or not you will have
A good or bad life.
The decisions you make will
Carve your future and
The decisions you make can
Either help you or hurt you.

To quote the urban myth often, and incorrectly, attributed to Bill Gates:
"Life is not fair - Get used to it".

You can choose to be a scammer, scambaiter, scam victim or neither. The choice is yours. If you are not prepared to accept the dangers of your choice and the effect that will have on others then make another.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

XPS1710 wrote:
Oh wow, Ceegood. I haven't seen anyone here wish it on them.


I do.
Although I'd prefer it if they caught leprosy.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:09 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^^See, now If I had bet that no one did, my husband would be short a nut.

For Breddan's poem, it reminds me of a line from a TV show that I absolutely love.
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"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:29 am Reply with quoteBack to top

As far as I know no baiter has ever taken a bound and gagged lad kicking and screaming to a tattoo parlour. They to it voluntarily and they choose to go ahead and do it because their venality and greed (and have you noticed that 99% of tattoo lads think they are ripping off a church and/or charity?) are far greater motivators than their concerns about the possible health risks to themselves or their families. My conscience is clear. Having said that, despite the impression you may get from our trophy pics, getting a lad to go ahead and get a tattoo is very difficult and happens rarely. Most of them draw the line before they take that step (as do many baiters) and that's OK too.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:36 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok, here's a challenge...

Name ONE documented case of a person contracting the HIV virus from a tattoo.

Just ONE.

And.....Go.

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