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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:46 am Reply with quoteBack to top

TSnerd wrote:
There is a thread about this very thing running around here, somewhere.

I'll try to find it.

Here you go:
http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81910&highlight=tatoos


just found it now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Nurse Nasty wrote:
I think tattoos are sooooo 2006. ...


I'm nostalgic. I love the good ol' days. 2006. Oh the memories. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Curses! How did I miss another ethics thread about tattoos!?!?!? I love these things because, even when hard evidence is posted about the fact that AIDS is not going to be transmitted through a needle, people still contest! I am quite honoured that SlayerFaith quoted me. I'll wear that badge with pride.

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There is a first for everything.


Is that so? That is facetious reasoning in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:34 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I've wondered if someone set up a fake website showing that entry Visas for Western countries were now to be in tattoo form, to stop imposters, whether I couldn't find a few lads willing to try getting their own done. I'd just need the right letter to send them.

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I've always been a fan of lads with tattoos. Especially the Conman Church tattoo. That is funny Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:19 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that the OP hasn't posted in this thread since page one and hasn't logged in for several days.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^I noticed that. I was just waiting for the dust to settle. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:04 am Reply with quoteBack to top

kleindoofy wrote:
I'm nostalgic. I love the good ol' days. 2006. Oh the memories. Very Happy


Ahhh but 2007 brought 1,000,000 laughs; wait until 2008! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAH Twisted Evil I wonder if a mugu would like $1,000,000.00 Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

TSnerd wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that the OP hasn't posted in this thread since page one and hasn't logged in for several days.


I've been watching and have made my feelings clear previously. Everyone has a right to their opinion and there is little point imposing mine on them if they don't agree. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

ceegood wrote:

As we know HIV can be passed on through needles . . . a fate I'm sure we would wish on no-one


Guess again.

ceegood wrote:
Fine, the scammers might deserve it. But, what about their children?


One could only hope that those children would be so lucky as to have that scamming bastard of a father die from HIV.

ceegood wrote:

Yes - but surely we shouldn't encourage them to get AIDS. How anyone can wish this upon someone is beyond me.


Sure we should. If only it were as easy as simply encouraging them. Stick around awhile and you'll begin to realize how "someone can wish this upon someone"

XPS1710 wrote:
Oh wow, Ceegood. I haven't seen anyone here wish it on them.


Now you have.

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As far as I know no baiter has ever taken a bound and gagged lad kicking and screaming to a tattoo parlour.


Probably the only way I'll ever get a lad to get a tat. Hopefully someday. I'll try to video it for you. Wink

If it were feasible, I'd say let's pass the hat and collect enough funds to open our own tattoo parlor specifically for lads. When the baiter sends the lad to the parlor, he should have a code to designate just which disease the baiter wishes the lad injected with. Seriously, IMHO, whatever harm one can bring about to a lad isn't nearly enough. I remember the old days, (probably less than 12 months ago), when I was feeling a twinge of guilt about the abuse the lads were enduring. Now, I say F*&# em. A slow painful death is just what they deserve. The same for any other sorry F*&^ that operates without a conscience to steal from innocent, gullible, and otherwise vulnerable victims.

Just my opinion. May it soon be yours. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

jojobean wrote:
hard evidence is posted about the fact that AIDS is not going to be transmitted through a needle


Err...sharing syringes/needles? Laughing

Got this from http://www.mnaidsproject.org/learn/transmission.htm

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Tattoos and Piercing桾here have been NO documented cases of transmission of HIV by piercing or tattooing. However, there are documented cases of Hepatitis B (HBV) through these routes. Since Hepatitis B and HIV are transmitted by the same activities, there may be a possibility of HIV transmission through tattoos and piercing.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^^

Yes, but again - No Documented Cases for tattooing. Now lets say why.

Two addicts sharing a needle for their hit of speed can and probably has transmitted a HIV/Aids. Why?
Because there is no precautions on this. They dont get their own needles, they dont sterilize in between, they just suck, point, shoot. Only person they are screwing over is themselves and they are too drug-stuffed to be able to make that decision properly - but we cant help them.

Why its hasnt happened with tattoo's? Livelihood. Return business. Word of Mouth.

Why WOULDNT a Tattooist take every precaution when just ONE infection from their shop could put them out of business and possibly in jail for the rest of their lives?

Hence, most tattooist use the disposables. That way there is no risk of a stuff up in sterilization. Even in less developed and high aids risk countries, no - Especially in less developed and high aids risk countries. They are going to have minimal client鑜e to start off with.

This is why activities LIKE tattooing (sticking a needle in your arm) can transmit aids, but it never has in the process of giving a tattoo.

Greed can make idiots get tattoos... it can also make the Tattooists very, very careful.

For the record, I have no tattoos, I dont know any tattooists, and I would never get one (its permanent, and I will get old and ugly) - I just think this whole debate is basically calling all tattooists dangerous, and honestly, it is their precautions that have led to the fact that there is no documented cases. Credit where it's due.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:54 am Reply with quoteBack to top

If one wishes to avoid contracting HIV, one should avoid trying to steal the last few dollars out of the elderly and anyone else with a dream of financial security.

Mike Ryoko, the late definition of "curmudgeon" who wrote in Chicago, wrote about a case in New York City many, many years ago. I recall it for his last observation.

He describes how a young man cut an old Jewish man with a knife. Said old Jewish man yelled for help, and a bunch of old Jewish men poured out and beat the young man within an inch of his miserable life.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:37 am Reply with quoteBack to top

kleindoofy wrote:
This may surprise you, but the people there aren't stupid little children. They are grown up adults and know exactly what they're doing.


Thats what makes it so messed up. They may know exactly what they are doing, but they do stupid shit anyway...It's ridiculous. You wouldn't beleive half the shit I saw happen. Trust me, I'd slit my own throat before getting a tatoo over there. It is infact a death sentence.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:45 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Ceegood,

Please don't feel as though people here are 'having a go'. IMHO, you asked a question, got answers (Some answers you may agree with, some you may not) and have decided not to continue the debate.
Your question was a valid question and one that's been asked alot.
To simplify: No, no one has ever got AIDS from a tatoo. I believe that was your argument?
Enjoy your time at Eater, nice to have you here. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

No one has ever contracted HIV because they jumped out of an aeroplane at 20,000ft without a parachute.

So if we are so worried about the risks associated with tattoos, why don't we just put this topic to rest and agree to ask our lads to try skydiving using one of those dinky little collapsable umbrellas instead? Bait on chaps...

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jojobean wrote:
hard evidence is posted about the fact that AIDS is not going to be transmitted through a needle


Err...sharing syringes/needles? Laughing


That was in reference to a tattoo needle, not a heroin needle. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I found this in another thread. Posted by Slyer Faith.... I agree, just my 2 cents as a complete and total newbie

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If AIDS transmission is the issue, Jojobean has already addressed it. The AIDS virus cannot live outside a human host for more than a few minutes (some experts say seconds) and has never been transmitted by a tattoo needle, no matter how dirty. Hepatitis is sometimes transmitted this way, but given the nature of that disease and the ease of transmission, I think a tat is one of the least likely transmission vectors.
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Okay, you have convinced me that AIDS cannot be passed on through tattoos. I still want to no-one to suffer the disease though, even a lad.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Ryda DaWind

Indeed.

As IWM notes, there has been no documented case of HIV transmission through a tattoo. I have been unable to find a case either.

"Needle stick" transmission of HIV is also unheard of. You literally have to inject the virus. This is where needle sharing comes into play. You need close contact of "precious bodily fluids" and tears in the mucosa for passage. These tears are a natural part of sex, of course.

For a tattoo transmission, one would have to have a tattoo needle dipped in free seropositive blood, and directly apply it to the victim. Even then, one would have to keep re-applying HIV blood. Even in the weirdest scenario imaginable, one is not going to share a tattoo needle in this fashion--moving back and forth from an HIV+ patient and a recipient.

It is, however, a natural thing to be fearful of what "seems" possible--like catching HIV from a mosquito bite. Here is a nice linkypoo debunking that. From such a fear comes prejudice. As discussed previously, most of the websites I found that tout the "tattoo-HIV risk" are biased against tattoos for a particular reason that has nothing to do with actual science.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:15 am Reply with quoteBack to top

ceegood wrote:
I still want to no-one to suffer the disease though, even a lad.


So surely the logical conclusion is that you shouldn't ask your pets for tattoos?

That sorted, can we move on from this thread now?
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