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 Circumcision - ethical and legal considerations?

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putersteve
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:33 am Reply with quoteBack to top

bill2 wrote:
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Each his own and if you think that that is fun, it's your conscience.


LOL I don't necessarily think it's FUN, just that I don't find it ethically appalling, given the circumstances.

also, if they were to force someone to get circumcised in their place like you say, then this whole board can just go out the window. why require videos of people doing crazy stunts at the risk they may get hurt, etc.. what if someone contacted hiv by getting an "I *heart* gay sex with goats" tattoo? i think that they themselves ultimately determine what line they cross, not us. otherwise all scam baits would yield perfectly deliciously crazy results.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:39 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Red wrote:
God, don't remind me, I'm still embarrassed by that, stop making fun of it, it's not funny!
LOL! sorry! Wink

Red wrote:
It's never going to happen, but I don't think it is mutilation considering that where he comes from it is likely more people have it than don't. Just tell him all the sexual benefits, might help explain why he's so average in the sack.
OF COURSE! they also circumcise women there too!! OUCH! with rusty glass and rocks and all sorts of stuff. DUH how could i forget? i must've repressed it after reading Possessing the Secret of Joy (Alice Walker). It's really a good (and disturbing) read.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I am not sure why this thread even exists as ethical considerations related to asking the scammer to do certain skin modifications (no matter how repugnant or grisly it may be) should be a no-brainer:

It is open season on scammers and we baiters can use tactics both fair and unfair to achieve our main goals.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:20 am Reply with quoteBack to top

chop his dollar.........or something else !

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:25 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Guys, thanks for your opinions, I appreciate all of them, I think I'll try to convince him to get the job done and see what happens. Fingers crossed Cool

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:38 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:06 am Reply with quoteBack to top

valachus--

Itchy & Scratchy did it best in "A Bris Before Dying".
Ep. EABF01 Dec 7, 2003 on The Simpsons.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:34 am Reply with quoteBack to top

OK folks, this topic is controversial enough.
So, stay on topic.

The previous few numpty posts have been deleted.
There's a post-whore thread in General if you need it. Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

You guys have never been to africa have you... everyone is cut as a right of passage.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:39 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:57 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'd say go for a funny sign or dress-ups. That's my favourite trophies. Scambaiting isn't a competition on who can out-do the most current extreme trophies. Well not to me anyway. Humiliating your lad, then sharing it with millions of people on-line is the sweetest justice.

Prof. Daff E. Duck wrote:
You guys have never been to africa have you... everyone is cut as a right of passage.


Correction on the generalisation comment, but not all peoples and/or tribes perform ritual self-mutilation as a rite of passage. So having to visit Africa to know this is irrelevant.

Has it really been 6 weeks since our last ethical discussion?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Too extreme for me.


Also, like (!) doesn't West Africa have alot of Muslims, cos (!) they're circumsized too?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^
To clarify: Yes, there are many Muslims in the Sahel and semi-Sahel countries, but not a lot of scammers there. As far as the countries with the most scams, Nigeria tends to be Christian and animist with some Muslims in the north, Cote d'Ivoire, the same. The Ghanans and Togolese I know are Christian, but I suppose they have Muslim populations too.

Muslim boys tend to be circumcised around age 12.

Edit: Non-Muslim West Africans tend to also be circumcised, but not all are. Risk of HIV infection tends to be slightly higher for non-circumcised men.

@ Putersteve: As for women, not all groups cut. Please don't call it circumcision as it's not at all the same thing--the equivalent of cutting off part or all of the penis, not just the foreskin.

My West African Franc (two cents) says this (Valachus' idea, not FGM)sounds like a baiter's fantasy to chuckle over, but personally, I think it would be better to focus on something more creative, more likely to happen, and less dodgy on the ethics side.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Well, the scammer is up for the adoption scheme, trouble is he sent me some pictures of a very young boy, much younger than he sounds on the phone (he sounds like one in his late 20s, and the boy looks to me under 20):
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I definitely don't want to instigate or contribute to the scammer paying some lousy bucks to a poor youngster in order to have him carve himself tattoos or worse.
Has anyone seen these photos before?

EDIT:
oh and here's his "sister":
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:44 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Breddan Butter wrote:
OK folks, this topic is controversial enough.
So, stay on topic.

The previous few numpty posts have been deleted.
There's a post-whore thread in General if you need it. Evil or Very Mad


Ditto. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

initial pics are usually just grabbed off net, scanned in from magazine, or passed around from lad to lad.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^^^ and @valachus

Those look like "glamor shots" rather than simple photographs. Would want to confirm your Lad is "the Lad" before making him undergo any thing permanent.

If a Lad hires others to carve, scribble, or what have you, that is one thing. If he makes some kid get tattooed/circumcised or whatever that sort of pushes the ethics in another direction, methinks. It is also a hard trophy to display!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Did I say something wrong? Confused

Sorry Embarassed

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:57 am Reply with quoteBack to top

The pics of the guy seem to come from a local photostudio with those flashy wallpaper backgrounds and were put on a bad scanner. The "sister" pic surely comes from the net.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:06 am Reply with quoteBack to top

The chances of those photos being real seems to be about the same as the chances of you seeing any of that Lotto money you won last week.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:08 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi,

If he is to convert to Judaism then he needs to grow a beard and wear a scull cap. If you want him to be a hasidic jew then he will need to grow earlocks and wear a prayer shawl. You will also have to educate him about eating kosher as well.

I reckon it'd be a great trophy of a photo of a nigerian dressed as an orthodox jew.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

@Ophelia Dikki
HIGHLY unlikely Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

oh, i dunno.. lol could happen

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:54 am Reply with quoteBack to top

putersteve wrote:
. . . what if someone contacted hiv by getting an "I *heart* gay sex with goats" tattoo? i think that they themselves ultimately determine what line they cross, not us. otherwise all scam baits would yield perfectly deliciously crazy results.


Indeed.

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