SmartFeedSmartFeed          

Porsche Hangout


WELCOME - YOU ARE CURRENTLY VIEWING 419EATER AS A GUEST

By joining our community you will have the ability to post topics and access other forums reserved for members. Registration is quick, simple and absolutely free. Join our community today by clicking here.

ScamWarners.com - Internet Anti-Fraud Center - now open!


 Anatomy of 419 groups

View next topic
View previous topic
 
Post new topicReply to topic
Author Message
valachus
Not quite a Newb


Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 44


PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Here's a thought from a n00b: perhaps it would be useful to provide some means in the forum to systematize the various lad groups a bit. Maybe create a forum section with subsections for origin countries wherein ba1ters could try to distinguish between various groups, and also a section for the pickup guys in various cities. It would be very useful for arranging for their arrests, if possible, and also to lend more credibility when posing as guymen chopping their $$ - e.g. "hey, remember when I chopped your $$ last november in Amsterdam? yeah the $$ from mugu X, you were using the name Y"

The idea came to me when I was looking in the archive for incidents in Zurich and found out that, quite possibly, the "diplomat" that waited for me in Zurich -
http://media.putfile.com/thunder-on-yo-family
http://media.putfile.com/Confused-diplomat-in-Zur1ck


may be the same guy that Deacon Blue exchanged pleasantries with as - http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=487586&highlight=yousf+ahmed+zurich#487586
("Thunder fire on your family" is an insult he used with Deacon and over the phone with me)

and also the same one that persephone and Equinoxe discussed with as , also in Zurich -
http://media.putfile.com/Usman-and-Jeff
http://media.putfile.com/Round-2---making-friends

What do you think?

_________________
Attorney 5t3v3n 5unny @ Law:
"As I was talking to you on phone this morning, I ran out of credit."
"The file you just sent concerning western union protocols, it is a bushtit."
"What would you expect me to explain to the monogram if they happen to arrest my secretary?"
"traveling to Switzerland to Norway will take you only 1hrs 30munite to Switzerland if you decide to travel by train"
[email protected] [email protected], diplomat: "You can not play with my intelligence. I am very sharp. Nobody can play with me."
View user's profileSend private message
persephone
Baiting Guru


Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 2846
Location: land of cloggies


PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It is a very nice idea, but I am afraid that it will be impossible to archive. Lads are not a couple of hundred guys, there are thousands of them. Have a look in Amsterdam: more lads than tourists Sad

Plus, lads do not always work in a group. Sure, they can have connections sometimes to other lads and some of them are well organised. I have a feeling though that the majority of them have scamming as a side activity (probably next to other 'easy' ways to get their money).

Plus, they use different names, different formats, different fake IDs for several scams. One love scammer may very well run some fake cheques scams as well. They have several email addresses, making it impossible to map them out so to speak. The result will be less than workable.

_________________
a strange idiot tracked you down on arrival you moved with him like a christmas goat to a strange hell hotel and gave him paper or what you call money my ass. - J3ff Rich4rds
Sand Timer 14 months and counting
I HAVE SEEN THAT YOU LOVE DOG SEX, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU CAN COME TO AFRICA I WILL TAKE CARE OF YOUR HOTEL EXPENSES AT LEAST TO SATISFY THE DOG'S URGE - some banker
Closed lad accounts loads
pony pony Mortar x46 United States 3x Canada Malaysia 2x Netherlands 2x Nigeria 2x Ghana 3x Ivory Coast 9x United Kingdom 3x Spain Bahamas, The Germany Australia Algerian Flag Togo 2x Cellphone Pretty Rose Safari 4 days of travel - 7 days stuck in airport
View user's profileSend private messageMSN MessengerSkype Name
JMRazor
Baiting Guru


Joined: 03 Mar 2006
Posts: 7103
Location: Yes


PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^^ Lazy! Wink

No, Pers speaks the truth. There are very few ways to corroborate that you're dealing with the same lad -- even if IP addresses match up closely.

_________________
<a href="http://forum.419eater.com/forum/donate.php">|A 100% RISKY FREE PROPOSITION| </a> |PLEASE VISIT SCAMWARNERS| |READ OUR F.A.Q.| |WHEN IN DOUBT CLICK ON THIS|

____________________________ pony Pretty Prancing Pink Pony Master pony _____________________________

Tattoo Tattoo Tattoo
Pith Helmet Pith Helmet Pith Helmet Pith Helmet Easter Egg 2013
Closed lad accounts x 43
Mortar x 16
Sand Timer x 3
View user's profileSend private messageSend e-mail
valachus
Not quite a Newb


Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 44


PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I think that, for instance, the pickup guys can't be that many. They have to have knowledge of the cities they're into, they have to be very experienced, they have to be a bit sophisticated - this one was obviously much better than the lads back in Africa, and besides, the most important element is trust - the proles that do the hard work in Africa have to have a trusty contact in Europe that WILL give them their hard-earned share, so it's unlikely that there will be much mobility within a certain group of "partners" in any given city.

You also have to consider that there surely are hierarchies in place, that the top dog in a group doesn't want his drivers or muscle guys to get a bigger piece of the pie than he allows them to, and finally, that they can't be too mobile - traveling costs money and they don't get that much of them too often, I think. So identifying the pickup guys should not be too great a difficulty - especially if we have the calls recorded and can compare voices and accents.

_________________
Attorney 5t3v3n 5unny @ Law:
"As I was talking to you on phone this morning, I ran out of credit."
"The file you just sent concerning western union protocols, it is a bushtit."
"What would you expect me to explain to the monogram if they happen to arrest my secretary?"
"traveling to Switzerland to Norway will take you only 1hrs 30munite to Switzerland if you decide to travel by train"
[email protected] [email protected], diplomat: "You can not play with my intelligence. I am very sharp. Nobody can play with me."

Last edited by valachus on Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:17 pm; edited 2 times in total
View user's profileSend private message
windypops
Baiting Guru


Joined: 25 Jan 2005
Posts: 5887
Location: Planet X


PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^
2: Greedy
3: Stupid
4: Lazy, Greedy & Stupid << These are my favourite. Wink

_________________
Mortar x22 Inventor Easter Egg 2011

"No amount of semen donation will save this situation" Sanny Sanny
"We must disagree to agree" Raji Musa

If it's LADS you want. GoTo: http://www.yopmail.com/
and sign in with either ladmail or kentbrockman
View user's profileSend private message
DementedAngel
419Eater is my life


Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 344


PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The only way I can see to map it, so to speak, would be if you could find if theyre independent or working for an oga, who their oga is, etc. And then there's if they occassionaly work with other buddies, buddy's buddies, connections made through their oga, etc. Not details that are readily available.

_________________
"I will never forgive you for what you have done to me and my family."
South Africa
Click here to support 419Eater.com
View user's profileSend private message
Zen
Baiting Guru


Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 5396
Location: Location: Location


PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Interesting ideas, valachus

But I don't think it works the way you think. Although most 419 scammers are in Nigeria, there are tens of thousands in other countries, with major concentrations in places like London, Amsterdam, Madrid, Toronto and Johannesburg. Also, except for catcher-oga relationships, they don't work in rigid hierarchies - it's more like a complex social network. If a scam requires a pickup by an associate in (say) London, they look through their network, and there is no shortage of candidates. Rounding up all the 419 scammers in (say) Amsterdam would be quite an undertaking.

The above statements are only true of Nigerian scammers, of course. Scammers from other countries adopt different modalities.

_________________
Dr Bruno Assan writes "U have done it again!"
x4 United Nations x380 fake banks (AA419.org) pyramid x65 Safari x21 (HMS Belfast, Canvey Island, Vigo, Hamburg, Vienna, Salzburg, Linz)
Remember: 1) Bait safely 2) Protect innocent third parties 3) Ask before using others' work 4) Don't do more work than the lads
Warned you're writing to a scammer? Just say "Thanks, I'm a baiter" (ScamWarners.com)
419eater FAQ/rules: http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137846
"Tell me what you want to do
And I can make it up for you
And lie" Ticket to Lie, by Texas
View user's profileSend private message
Display posts from previous:      
Post new topicReply to topic


 Jump to:   



View next topic
View previous topic
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



E-Mail Header Analysis


All Content © 2003 - 419Eater.com
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group :S5: FI Theme :: All times are GMT