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DrWho
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Joined: 14 Jan 2004
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Sat May 12, 2007 4:21 am |
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Again no comment against you, but continuing until something else is more popular ensures that someone else makes your decision for you and you give up your right to free will. Which is what the whole argument is about; I want to be free to pick what OS I want to use and how that OS works and how I interface with it, because I am intelligent enough to make my own decisions. If an OS takes an hour a day of my time to keep it free from malware, I want the freedom to change to something else.
Yes, 95% of the computer users feel the same way you do, which is why . . . . . well the rest I can't put in nice terms and I don't what to generalize. |
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it wasn't me
Elite Baiter
Joined: 18 Feb 2007
Posts: 1043
Location: sitting in the corner drinking wine, eating cheese
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Sat May 12, 2007 5:47 am |
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Not totally off topic, coz I'm still talking about huge companies being everywhere and the pff, like Kyser sozek (Or however you spell it) gone.
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thud419
Baiting Guru
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Posts: 3193
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Sat May 12, 2007 11:35 am |
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It would be a significant problem if MS disappeared overnight. Companies would be in turmoil and home users would continue to use an unsupported OS with ever increasing unpatched vulnerabilities. But I don't think it will happen like that. More likely is that Vista or its successor fails to sell, Linux makes it into companies and MS digs its heels in and refuses to extend the life of the OS that people are buying, or fails to catch the next big thing because it's only available in the newer Windows that nobody will buy.
DRM may be Microsoft's PS/2. The IBM PS/2 was supposed to kill off the clone manufacturers. Instead it took IBM out of the PC marketplace. Suddenly you could get fired for buying IBM.
Even if they stop selling OSs today, Windows would still be the majority OS for a few years, during which time they will have an ever decreasing chance to claw their way back into the market. XP will continue to sell for several years and I don't yet see Vista as the MS killer, although it may be. |
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Dirteh Sanchez
Elite Baiter
Joined: 10 Sep 2004
Posts: 1470
Location: Under Parliament somewhere...
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Sat May 12, 2007 2:37 pm |
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I honestly can't see Vista being a MS Killer.
It works fine, is stable, runs quite happily on a P4 with 512 RAM.
OK you want the bells and whistles of Ultimate, then get the PC that matches the requirements. But as a person who believes that Games belong on consoles not PCs and that If I want to do serious Graphic of Video work then ANY PC with ANY OS isn't up to it, I don't need the full featues of ultimate. I have it, I'm running it, I'm typing this using it now. But, in all truth, I doubt very much that I use 10% of the OS features.
Why do I have Ultimate? coz I am an MCSE with MSDN Subscription, so I got it anyway.. |
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Radden
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Joined: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 1267
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Sat May 12, 2007 3:09 pm |
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Anyone that writes M$ Micro$oft ..etc is insecure about their own platform (linux, mac). Oh noez, Microsoft is making money!
Get use to it, that's what this world is about . |
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benjaminbunny
Baiting Guru
Joined: 22 May 2006
Posts: 3534
Location: escargotland
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Sat May 12, 2007 4:07 pm |
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Yochanon
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 05 Aug 2004
Posts: 16
Location: TN
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Sat May 12, 2007 7:04 pm |
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@radden wrote:
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Anyone that writes M$ Micro$oft ..etc is insecure about their own platform (linux, mac). Oh noez, Microsoft is making money! |
BWAHAHAHA! Most *nix users couldn't care less that M$ is "making money". I/we despise M$ for it's nasty business practises, it's deceitfulness, the lousy OS in general, M$' DRM schemes to lock people in (same stupid thing as a pyramid scheme), the lack of *true* concern for those who use the OS but aren't huge businesses, problems (viruses, malware, trojans, etc) only get 'fixed' months later on average, ad nauseum.
I didn't stop using M$ because they were "making money". I stopped using it because I got tired of all the above reasons and because I was tired of not being able to control how the OS worked, the apps and such, and all the stupid crashes (when an app crashes it should *NOT* crash the whole OS!), the constant worry about if my anti-virus was up-to-date enough that I could open my e-mail, the constant having to 'reboot' just because I installed an app, again...ad nauseum.
When you try to lump all the users of OS's other than an M$ one into an "they're insecure" bundle, it only reflects badly on how insecure *you* actually are when faced with the truths that M$ is a sorry PoS OS. |
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Dirteh Sanchez
Elite Baiter
Joined: 10 Sep 2004
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Location: Under Parliament somewhere...
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Sun May 13, 2007 2:32 pm |
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I luv the 'Linux rools OK' brigades "look at all the malware and viruses that target MS" argument.
True, there are many viruses etc written for MS OSes, but lets face it, virus writers write viruses to attack the majority OS. ergo, write viruses that exploit MS OSes.
Please do not tell us that Linux is immune from virus activity. the difference being, when the linux community experience a virus attack, they sweep it quickly and quietly under the carpet.
and, is you so are not bothered by MS making megabucks, why do you choose to write M$ not MS ?? |
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DrWho
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Sun May 13, 2007 7:31 pm |
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Just *have* to respond to that.
Yes, *nix OS can have viruses and there have been a few written to attack Linux and unix systems. It also has a few exploitable openings but you have to be local to use them or a really stupid operator to open them up. No Linux user will deny that the possibility of Linux viruses exist.
No. The linux community doesn't quietly sweep attacks under the carpet. They share the info and the reason why it happened so that people can patch the hole and fix the security. The fix usually happens in a few days not a few months after it becomes public.
M$ knew about the mouse cursor flaw a year ago and did nothing about it. Even though they were designing vista at the time and could have fixed the problem then.
The part that I "luv" about M$ "people" is that they believe that windoze is a secure system and the problem is unavoidable. The problem isn't so much that viruses exist as that their OS has deep down security flaws that can not be fix without a compete redesign from the beginning. They claim they did this with vista but it doesn't look like it.
Linux security is built into the OS from the start not added as an after thought. Even if you are silly enough to open an unknown program containing a virus in your user space, it doesn't have access to the root user so it can't do anything damaging.
I write M$ because they put money above everything else. The user, the law, your security, your desire for a system that does what you want it to do. They steal from companies that innovate and then claim it as their own. The companies that don't want to do that they are told, they drive out of business using monopolistic practices and claim they are improving society. |
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ScamAngel
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 03 Apr 2007
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Sun May 13, 2007 10:40 pm |
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Commodore is another example of a good product gone ; they were too greedy pricewise ,could have a lot better if they had sold at a lower price for a more efficient computer .
I had both at the same time and the Amiga was faster and less bloated OS |
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fistymus
419Eater is my life
Joined: 10 May 2007
Posts: 254
Location: Under my hat, wearing my moustache
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Sun May 13, 2007 10:50 pm |
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The new "homebrew" Amigas are a true joy. Based on G5 hardware running a lovely update of AmiOS3.9
And still stable as a rock
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Radden
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Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Sun May 13, 2007 10:58 pm |
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M$ is cutting demands for L1N|_|X$$$$$$$$$$
Yes microsoft is a company that has many users, please Dr.Who, please stop the millions of users of windows, so they can switch over to linux.
edit - Linux is great and all, I have it on my second hard drive, but I don't use it as often because it's more complicated than windows.
Make linux more like windows (for windows users to integrate over from).. Than we can talk about Linux being 100% windows/user friendly. |
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thud419
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Sun May 13, 2007 11:15 pm |
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There are viruses and there are viruses. It is relatively easy to write a virus for Windows that will install itself deep into the OS and make itself next to impossible to remove. It is next to impossible to do that with Linux. However it is relatively easy to infect a single Linux user's account with a mailing bot, or a keylogger. It would never be difficult to detect or remove, but that is not really the problem; most Windows malware tries to hide itself, but the AV programs find it all the same, and a reformat removes anything.
Botnets are not composed of well-patched and supported PCs, they are composed of home PCs owned by people who never patch them, don't run AV, and can't recognise the signs of infection. In that sense Linux is just as vulnerable as Windows.
Getting an infection into Linux in the first place is fairly difficult. Since the anti-trust suit Microsoft has embedded IE so deeply into Windows that its flaws affect every part of its operation. Since the invention of Java caused Microsoft to invent ActiveX, IE has been a virus-writer's dream. That vulnerability is not in Linux. My mail app does not try to run attachments without me at least clicking on them; it does not access links to external websites without my say-so. Even it's display of HTML is dependent on me clicking to say I trust the source of the mail. If Firefox develops a vulnerability, it does not affect any part of my system except the browser, and the browser runs with the permissions of the user that is running it.
Microsoft has 10,000 programmers who protect their IP jealously and who's timescales are dictated by a marketing department. GNU/Linux has maybe ten times that number. They work in the open with the full understanding that their code is open to massive peer review, and the belief that someone finding a bug is a good thing. Their timescales are their own; if a release needs to be postponed for a security flaw to be patched, then the release will wait. |
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I don't know what else to do or do I continue filling and filling forms. -- Barr. Koloti
you has been dribbling me up and down but I will show some thing you have never seen before, I think you breath air wait and see. -- Barr. Cole
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DrWho
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Mon May 14, 2007 4:03 am |
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I don't care if people use linux or windoze. But I do care that people are given the choice to make a decision. If you use windoze and never have a problem and like the software and the games and don't worry about the problems and the upgrades and the WGA you have to go through. Then you should, by all means, use it.
The usual response is "make linux like windoze". If linux was like windoze, it would be windoze and so no point in calling it linux.
There was an article by a person who had used *nix all his life and never used windoze. As an experiment, he got a win box and spent a couple weeks, I think, only using it and not falling back to *nix. The story is interesting. It shows that the difficulty of using an OS only depends on what you are use to. Windoze is easy because you grew up using it.
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"i am not a terrorist and your america cia cna also investigate me."
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