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William
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I admit that in a recent tattoo bait I copied SMT's general guidelines to the scammer (in "The Mark of a Moron") about high quality photos, photos of the tattoo shop, scarring, etc. and replaced the name of his church with my own .

The truth is I wouldn't have thought of most of this stuff on my own and I would have had to spend considerable effort to rewrite that entire, massive message. I figured it would be OK as long as I gave him due credit but I am not sure of the etiquette here. Acceptable or not?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Very acceptable. In fact it's almost expected.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yes, use other baiter's ideas. Just don't, for the love of god, bring up any idea about a shuttle. Razz

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Acceptable in my opinion. I mean, that is the purpose of this site. Generally best to change a couple of things, but I would never have any problem with anyone taking any ideas of mine. Most of my ideas have been done at one time or another, they have just been tweaked to fit my story, character, etc.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok, just checking. Having been conditioned against plagiary my entire life this will take some getting used to. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

If anybody were to pick up and run with any of my modalities, I'd be honored that they were highly thought of to the point where someone would want to do that.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Feel free to plagiarize at your heart's will.

Please just don't publish it here calling it "my great new idea." Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yes, I've done it. I was having trouble getting people to join my Snake Handling Church until I copied Shivers opening in the Red Breast. Since then they all want to handle snakes.

I also like the Rupert J. Felcher Arctic Skunk opening letter. It sets up for trophy pics from the get go.

My feeling is learn from the pros. I try my own stuff as well, but where it doesn't work I fix it, and mod it to suit.

I'm not sure in what way borrowing stuff is like making love to a beautiful woman, but I do hope Swis Toni will clear that up for me.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

My Church's tattooing instructions, and the letter I used to get lads to write out 'Dracula' by hand were both shameless cut & pastes of Shiver's formats, with bits altered to fit my bait. He hasn't sued or banned me yet. Wink

One of the rules is that you should always do less work than the lad.

Just don't ruin anyone else's bait, or send something you stole as an ASEM to hundreds of lads, the writer wouldn't thank you for it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

nothing wrong with learning from others and include your own personal touch to make it even better Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Please do recycle. If you want, you can even use one of my baiting characters- Past0r Gord0n Sp0t. You may want to only use his first initial.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

As a "drag and drop" baiter, I must admit I haven't said anything original in months !
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I try to make my baits as original as i can, simply because i don't learn if i'm just copy pasting.

I tend to only take the ideas themselves, rather than word for word what the first guy said.

Like i may try to get my lads to join my church, which obviously wasn't my idea, but i will compose all the emails originally myself.

That way i have struck a fine balance between learning and effectiveness Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

419Eater- an environmentally friendly forum!!

1. Reduce- the numbers of scammers
2. Reuse- other members formats
3. recycle- lads - remember, a lad shared is a lads pain doubled!!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^ Like everyone else said.
^ And this place has the finest baiters in the world. Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:36 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:44 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I see nothing wrong with it whatsoever! The scammers will copy + paste with scripting and stuff. Well we are all here to waster their time, not ours.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:09 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It's one of the reasons that we make these posts ....... to pool ideas.

It would be good to hear that if one baiter had an interesting result because of an idea posted by another member, and posted about it, that they acknowledged the original member when doing it.

Two fuzzy feelings for the price of one Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:33 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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I'm not sure in what way borrowing stuff is like making love to a beautiful woman, but I do hope Swis Toni will clear that up for me.


It's actually like making love to someone else's beautiful woman. Just be sure to give her back after you're done with her.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:37 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'd be honored and flattered if someone ever used my idea to snail-mail travelers' checks to the lads. It totally screwed them up. PM me any time for how to do that.

Point is, anything goes. It is all for the common good in the long run.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I would be honoured if you copied anything I did.
I am extremely boring.
I straight bait with cartoon character names.
I don't care about trophies (but I love to see others)
I love getting bank account info.

But more importantly I will bet that I have dismissed more barristers than your average bear... Laughing
Nothing makes me happier than a Lad barrister throwing his toys in the corner.

And...death threats are just as good as trophies. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^ I'm with you 100% about the death threats. I try to get one a day, but sadly the lads have been letting me down lately.

As for "plagiarizing", there's a very real danger of people believing that their ideas are so original that they "own" them and should be able to claim credit or even control how those ideas are used. It's happened before, unfortunately.

Baiters should know that when they post here it's to benefit all baiters, and copying and embellishing ideas should be encouraged. If you believe that a modality is yours and yours alone, keep it to yourself (and take your ego elsewhere, IMHO.)

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yes, I do admit to a bit of stealing ideas. I don't do a copy and paste job.... however that said, I am thinking that the first few e-mails should be copy and paste so as not to waste too much time and effort on my part before we get to the fun in the bait... the missing money.

/is waiting for his first death threat. Sad
//I mean other than the ones I have received in real life.... Shocked

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I don't have any problem with it. If every idea or modality that we use is original, not much real baiting would get done. Sharing ideas, modalities and concepts is what keeps baiting alive and fun. Very Happy

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