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Poll :: Which is better? the top design or bottom design?

A. i like the top design
45%
 45%  [ 5 ]
B. I like the bottom design.
27%
 27%  [ 3 ]
C. I think you should do this instead... (insert comment below)
27%
 27%  [ 3 ]
Total Votes : 11


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I am designing a wrench for a project. based off an 80 year old tool (cool huh?). anyway i cant decide how i should shape the head of the wrench so that it looks the best.

Any other suggestions would be great too.

If you dont understand how it is supposed to work. there will be a bottom jaw (not shown) which will slide up and down below the flat horzontal surface that is coincident to the orgin( the blue star with arrow).

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Oh and thanks for participating

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:05 am Reply with quoteBack to top

soldatman wrote:
baiting unrelated


shouldn't be in main scambaiting then...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

oh dang sorry. thought i had it in general all along, thanks for kicking it over though.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Get a lad to choose the design. After all, they are expert tools Wink

I don't wish to drop a spanner into the works but you may be able wrench a mugu Tool Man into providing the technical drawings and a pre-production sample.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:16 am Reply with quoteBack to top

haha if i could get a lad to make a model of the finished assembly off of my drawings i would be happier than a pig in a trough of slop. or something like that Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

The purpose of a wrench is to turn nuts and bolts. Looking pretty comes in a distant second. Some nuts and bolts are in difficult positions, close to other metalwork that restricts access and freedom of movement. IMHO, it is far more important to allow the greatest degree of access and movement than that the wrench looks good.

Since A has a thinner nose I would choose that. However I would prefer a solid nose if it made it thinner still.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:59 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^ I wasn't inclined to venture down the form/function debate but it remains relevant in all design disciplines.

I'd rather the OP decide on the relative merits of both or indeed other options as the exercise seems to be designed for their benefit (E.G. learning design, technical drawing, metalwork and fabrication skills).

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:44 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thud is correct. I love working with ratcheting box end wrenches but know I cannot use them in most locations. B does look lovely but you must consider manufacturing concerns. A would be a lot easier on the budget.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ yes, but 'B' does have cooling fins.
We need a lad to make the prototypes.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

in response to Thud: good suggestion. ill try to reduce the height of the curve and see how it stands up to the force.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:46 am Reply with quoteBack to top

if you like, you can send me your cad and I'll Max you up a photorealistic image of the finished product. I'll even animate it tightening up a bolt for you

In return you can donate money to eater on my behalf so I can get my bloody orange name back.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

thud419 wrote:
... Looking pretty comes in a distant second. ...


That depends to whom you're selling it. I.e., a woman will go for the pretty look and the color first, for the functionality second.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

battery that would be great. Im gonna have this done in like a month though. its low on the priority list sadly. dealing with those other classes comes first. what would you animate it with if you dont mindme asking?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:27 am Reply with quoteBack to top

That looks like the one time ubiquitous Monkey Wrench... Shocked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_wrench


EDIT: I am NOT 80 years old though... Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:36 am Reply with quoteBack to top

soldatman wrote:
what would you animate it with if you dont mindme asking?


Planning - Autocad 2008
Modeling - 3D Studio Max 9
Render - Vray 1.5
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:16 am Reply with quoteBack to top

battery wrote:

Autocad 2008


its like 2007 isnt it? and thats more of a large scale construction tool. alot of pretty slick tools there though. and to think i was just going to animate it with solidworks animator

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:33 am Reply with quoteBack to top

soldatman wrote:
battery wrote:

Autocad 2008


its like 2007 isnt it?


tell that to autodesk

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

battery wrote:
tell that to autodesk

Thieves..... but I digress.

You will need to slightly radius the internal corner, which won't interfere with a hexagonal nut but makes the design much stronger by reducing stress at the corner.

While it's good to have a decent amount of material some distance away from the loaded face and shaped as you've shown to match the stress curve, try to avoid webs/fins, they are expensive to manufacture. And don't forget that the back of a wrench becomes a hammer in the hands of most people...

Most hand tools are manufactured by forging, and both of these shapes would need to be cast which is not as reliable (can have gas inclusions etc which weaken the product).

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

soldatman wrote:
what would you animate it with if you dont mindme asking?


Free and does it all:
http://www.alibre.com/xpress/software/alibre-design-xpress.asp
You just need to register it.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

ok maybe i will steal so stuff from the crescen wrench and work it out that way. to be honest the stress is happening alittle below the corner. ok maybe i will take out the cool fins too. end up making it look just like the wrench im changing though.

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