My First Visa Scam Advice Needed

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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:43 pm

...This is how it started. I tagged this guy as a scammer on a dating site. I had found the photo's that he was using at newfaces. He then emailed me and said that "Yes, that was him" He was THAT model.

We then started chatting on Yahoo. He said that he was from Pakistan and looking for a true love...blah....blah...blah. He then ask me if I had a webcam. I said yes, but, do you have one? He said yes. I fully expected him to say NO.

He told me that he would show his, if I showed mine. He was adamant about that. Well.....curiosity got the better part of me. ....And, there he was. He was NOT a Nigerian as I expected. Laughing

I don't think he is the guy in the photos either. He had the guys body, but the face just looked a bit different.

ANYWAY....We have chatted twice. The first night, he did mention me coming to Pakistan. And he spoke of love in general. The second night, he told me he loved me and wanted to invite me there. He wants to marry me. Rolling Eyes

He did mention coming to the US.

Since this is my first scam such as this, what's the best way to play it?

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:35 pm

That's easy, forms, forms and some more forms; he needs to fill out everything to show his good intentions. Try immigration website for forms for USA, if not there, Canada has a truck load of forms in pdf format. Download them and fax to your self, number might be busy Wink

, so the program stores it and let you print out the forms as a picture. Easy edit in drawing program and you have lots of nice questions Twisted Evil

Somewhere on the forum are medical forms too.
Prepair him well and no money until you're sure about him Laughing

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:58 pm

Lizzy, I seem to remember it was only a couple of weeks ago you were asking whether to YM or not... now you are webcamming! Crikey! It was not what I was expecting but I am a fella being scammed by blokes so I always get a "no" when I ask.

You need to start getting awkward and get the forms out. You need to decide whether you can do that if he can look you in the eye and beg for money etc. At some point that webcam of yours should break if you start getting pressure.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:56 pm

@Tasman You are correct. That was with a guy that was very upset with me. I kept tagging him as a scammer. Laughing

Anyway...I did get my courage up to chat with him. He NEVER showed!!! I gave up after all this time.

I normally don't go on webcam.....that damn curiosity got me....good thing I'm not a cat. Wink

Also, there is always something happening to my PC Twisted Evil

This cam will very seldom be used. Sometimes I am gone from YIM for days.

We are still in the honeymoon stage (1 day), I'm sure it will be at least 3 days before the pressure begins. Oh....and I work BETTER under pressure. I've had one guy that has been waiting for money from me for 6 months Twisted Evil

and another for 5. Rolling Eyes

@bill2 Thanks for all that information. I will start reading and educating myself on this scam. I'll be getting my forms ready.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:13 am

Visa scammers are great. It's your one chance to do a straight bait and get a trophy in the one fell swoop. Just send your lad the correct application forms for the visa and supporting documentation and you can tie him up for weeks. There's no need to make up any silly stuff as the real ones are complex enough.

Then, just sit back and wait for the lame excuses to come in, and slap hard every time he gets back to you without a completed form. Oh, and keep promising to send some cash when the form is ready. Smile

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:15 am

You know, in Brasil passport photo's have them with a card with the day of the photo being taken on it. Makes them look like criminals. I think our passport will need to have his passport number on a card... you know it... 55378008

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:28 pm

I really think this guy can be very dangerous. I can only imagine the money he takes in. He sits in front of the cam and flexes his big muscles. He is very charming and probably believable to a lot of the ladies.

He sits and looks at the camera when he is not typing. He looks as if he has nothing to hide. I fully expected to see a big white Stallion run across his room. Shocked

I wasn't able to find much about him on the Internet. I did find 2 post that he had made on a porn site.

Quote:

dashing hi ana i m a model builder i love big girls this my account @yahoo.com
dashing any big lady wana talk talk me here looking 1 too marry big lady @yahoo.com

Funny...he didn't tell me he liked BIG women I'm petite. Shocked

I'm guessing that he is Muslim and not allowed on the Internet on Sundays. Laughing

I'm also wondering if he may have terrorist associates..... There goes my wild imagination. Laughing

I guess I need to stop dragging my feet and say "YES" to my newly intended. He really needs to get busy with the forms so we can be together.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:55 pm

This is beginning to wreak of trophy opportunity. I think he needs to prove his love... he is a builder.. good with his hands... a carving of some kind?

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:57 pm

Is he an actual scammer as we understand it and deal with here, or a guy looking for a woman with money to support him while he lies around the house all day doing nothing?

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:03 pm

@Wayne.....at this point, I'm not sure what he wants. My initial thought was, he wants to come to the US. I'm sure that money will play a very big part in this.

Maybe I'll find out tonight when I chat with him.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:59 pm

Lizzy, if he wants to come to the US he will need a VISA and a medical etc. They inflate the prices just enough for it to mean a lot for them but not much to you. I would say $900 is the average going rate.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:28 am

Lizzy. These love based scams usually move really fast if you let them. I do whatever I can to slow things down. I ask for things like poems and letters with specific contents or formats. I ask numerous of questions about their family, city, housing, hobbies, personal history, etc.. Then I start giving them little tasks to help me out such as picking out clothes, etc.. Usually the things that drive boyfriends or husbands crazy in real life seem to work very well. Very Happy

If they start to get cranky, I accuse them of not loving me. Also, they're experienced a number of problems with unreadable files that I have sent to them. I have three love baits going on 4 months and we still have not gotten to any discussions about money. Of course, I've been dropping hints that I have money. A well timed ASEM also works wonders.

Elite Baiter Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 1979

Thanks Pretty Girl for that advice. I'm currently juggling 5 romance scammers. Two of them are pushing hard for a whirlwind 'courtship' to get to the meat of their scam. I'm stalling, putting off and acting hurt that they're trying to monopolize my time and control my life.

Quote:

A well timed ASEM also works wonders.

What is this?

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:08 pm

I did chat with Prince Charming last night. I still do not know for sure what he wants. It was just love chat, you know, trying to gain my trust. SO....

Because I now know that he likes his women on the heavier side Twisted Evil

I contacted him through my other profile. She of course is not very attractive and a bit on the heavy side with a few bad habits Laughing

And of course, no cam!!!

He has taken the bait and responded with a short message that he was single and looking for sweet wife. He did not give me his Yahoo ID, YET. ...Now, it's time to play Twisted Evil

Quote:

ME : have you ever been to the USA?
HIM : no
HIM: but i like america
HIM : n if i get need to go there 4 my wife i go
HIM : u know
HIM : already here in my city
HIM : do marry in america n they meet on net 2 ladies
HIM : n lades visit guys n do marry
HIM : n then guys to go there
HIM: n 1 lady was 55n guy 27
HIM : but they like eachother so much
ME : is that what you are looking for
HIM : no
HIM : i m just loooking 4 a sweet wife
HIM : i telll u i m alone i have own life
HIM : i workl 4 me

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:53 pm

The good thing about this is I think he is going to get to the point fast. I YMd this girl for a month wondering where it was going. After all that time I get "can you lend me $500 to pay the maid in the US?". Rubbish.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:30 pm

@Tasman.... I am trying to move him along. I just chatted with him. He says that he wants me to come to Pakistan, then get married. If I don't like it there, we will move to US. He also states that he has his own money and will buy the tickets.

Someone please tell me it is not that simple to get to the US from that area. This guy is probably just looking for someone to keep him up....but, think about what could happen if people fell for this with a terrorist. Pakistan and the US are having problems now.

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:55 am

~OldBaglady,

ASEM is an accidentally sent e-mail message. Your lad "accidentally" receives an e-mail message that you sent to someone else. The purpose of the ASEM is to mislead them in some manner. For example, I lost a lad after 3 months because he got very frustrated and mad at me. About a week later, he accidentally received a message intended for someone with a very similar name. This message had a copy of a Money Gram receipt with an authorization number and password that I used to send $2000 to someone in Nigeria for their mother's medical bills (of course, the number was slightly blurred). This lead my lad to believe I would willingly wire money. He came running back with a less arrogant attitude. He still needs an attitude adjustment, but that's another story.

@Lizzy. Perhaps ask him about wedding customs in Pakistan. Also, ask about some type of dowry, the attitude of his family, any religious issues, etc.. If he puts some effort into the answers, he may be interested in some type of arrangement. If him ignores or downplays these types of questions, he may be trying to set up a some type of money scam, perhaps, related to paying for the tickets.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 5

There's also a line yall probably haven't thought of yet. Get the girl to come to him with flattery and hold her there until someone DOES pay for her to be able to come back...

Scams work best if you have something to use for bait

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:34 am

Hold the phone. You mean we have to bait the scammer... tempt them even? Genius.

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