Making scammers get tattoos - Dangerous?

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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:29 pm

I was thinking about this last night as I was recently in a position to make a lad in Africa get a tattoo, I didn't, but was wondering is it not dangerous for the lad?

As we know HIV can be passed on through needles, and, in Africa HIV is rife.
Also, the tattoo parlours probably do not enjoy the same level of hygiene as ones in our country. This means that there is a high chance of HIV being passed on, a fate I'm sure we would wish on no-one, and, also any children the scammer has and anyone they "bump uglies" with. This is not fair.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:37 pm

Think it is too dangerous? Can't square it with your own ethics? Don't think it's a good idea?

Then don't do it. It's that simple... Wink

Not quite a Newb Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 41

There is a thread about this very thing running around here, somewhere.

I'll try to find it.

Here you go:
http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81910&highlight=tatoos

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:44 pm

The mantra is ceegood - do what you're comfortable with. No one will criticise you for that, but don't be too quick to criticise others because they don't share your opinion.

I started an ethics thread in my early days, and there's nothing wrong in that, but the more you discover, the less forgiving most feel towards Lads in general. You could turn every bait into an ethical debate, but at the end of the day you draw your own limits.

It's unlikely I'll ever manage to get a Lad to tattoo himself so it's not really a live issue to me, but I have applauded others who have achieved it, and will continue to do so. You have a different view. That's cool and I can live with that.

The important thing is to work within the forum rules and guidelines. Beyond that, it's between you and your conscience. Some Lads I have come across, a tattoo would be far too kind a fate for them. Time may make you change your views - maybe not.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:56 pm

@Gomer

Not criticising others at all, more just gauging opinion and making my own thoughts known Cool

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:01 pm

There is only one thing that plays on my mind with getting a mugu to have tats.

And that is if the real mugu gang have forced an innocent to have a that tattoo on their behalf, otherwise I couldn't give a monkey's.

419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 344

another ethics thread, already?

some reading then tell me if a tattoo is still going to far

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1641875,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3444307.stm

and those are just the tip of the iceberg.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:32 pm

Fine, the scammers might deserve it. But, what about their children? If the scammer has children then there is chance that they might get HIV from their parents, which will develop into AIDS. Surely they don't deserve this just because of their parent's actions?

Mod edit. Removed unneeded full quote of post directly above yours. TS

Cheers

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:32 pm

ceegood wrote:

As we know HIV can be passed on through needles, and, in Africa HIV is rife.

Tell him to get an "invisible" tattoo on his forehead and to send you a photo of it. By the time he figures out he can pull this off without a trip to the parlor, you'll have enjoyed a chuckle and nobody gets hurt. Wink

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:38 pm

1. People get tatoos in Africa every day. At tatoo parlors. Can it be dangerous in relation to HIV? Sure. But so is sex, so maybe we should tell them not to do that either.

2. No baiter can force anybody to do anything.

419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 344

scammer is also likely to get aids from the local whores, shooting up heroin, etc. Nobody is forcing him to get a tattoo. It's of his own free will. Sure, he's being tricked into thinking there's a big cash award for it, but nonetheless, he knows the risks.

edit - beaten to it by KD, yet again Wink

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:48 pm

~kleindoofy,

Yes - but surely we shouldn't encourage them to get AIDS. How anyone can wish this upon someone is beyond me.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:52 pm

^^^^ Huh? Where did I say that?

I just mean that getting a tatoo isn't really something strange or extremely dangerous, even in Africa.

This may surprise you, but the people there aren't stupid little children. They are grown up adults and know exactly what they're doing.

If getting a tatoo in Africa were basically equal to a death sentence, tatoo parlors would be forbidden or wouldn't have any customers.

Get ready for this, hold on to your seat: many people there get them voluntarily. Every day.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:55 pm

ceegood wrote:

Yes - but surely we shouldn't encourage them to get AIDS. How anyone can wish this upon someone is beyond me.

I don't get it, since when is asking for a lad to get a tattoo "encouraging them" to get AIDS Confused

Are you specifically asking the lad to request a contaminated needle? Even as dumb as the lads are often accused of being, I don't think one could be convinced of that.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:09 pm

jojobean in a previous incarnation of this thread wrote:

There has not yet been a documented case of AIDS transmission from a tattoo. Before you ask my source, I will give it to you- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:14 pm

@bean

There is a first for everything. And documented is different to reality.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:19 pm

Sorry ceegood - I wasn't intending too criticise you something you hadn't done. I was just trying to bend the issue away from appearing to criticise others. My reponse was badly worded.

If you got the scammer arrested it's going to affect his relatives and children. That's inevitable. Playing this nasty game is his choice. I won't cry if a few times he loses. He is never a victim - just unsuccessful.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:24 pm

GomerPyle wrote:

If you got the scammer arrested it's going to affect his relatives and children. That's inevitable. Playing this nasty game is his choice. I won't cry if a few times he loses. He is never a victim - just unsuccessful.

Very well put....

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:49 pm

Arent they more likely to get hepatitus? That would be cool.

Master Baiter Joined: 03 Jul 2007 Posts: 158

Oh wow, Ceegood. I haven't seen anyone here wish it on them. I mean I would say there may be people out there that do wish such horrible things on them, yes. I have always said, never bet your left nut on the opinions of others. You will lose it every time.
But whats happening here is people are asking, they are making the conscious choice to do it. Its not forced - its greed. IMO, its the same with victims. I find them naive and greedy too, yes. Money, and peoples desire for more makes them to inherently stupid and sometimes even dangerous things. There is as much more chance to be killed and cause your family horrible grief as a stuntman or a construction worker. But at least they are making money honestly. If these guys actually believe money is going to rain all over them if they run down to the nearest tattoo parlour and slap on a tat, then thats their own choice, and their own stupid mistake. No amount of money in the world will see me get one.

That said, I have received a blood transfusion before and had the obligatory wait to see if I had caught any nasties before putting either my husband or new born daughter at risk. There is far less chance with a transfusion due to the very stringent tests done for blood donations, but I made a choice to protect others based on something I had no choice in because I was dead anyway if I didnt sign the form.

Everything is a choice. They can walk away and say the money is not worth it. Some do. Its those who don't, its those who place money above all else and walk into that Tattoo parlour that are putting people at risk. Not anyone here.

Just my humble .02

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:26 am

Some of these folks are murderers. Literally. The rest of them work for them, or hire them, or take them as partners. I don't stay up at night worrying about their fates.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:40 am

I've done some very nasty things in my life because I was ordered to do it.

Baiting criminals isn't one of them. We fight them because noone else will. We fight for those that can't fight for themselves. If you don't want to fight then walk away and I won't think any less of you. But IF you judge me I take offense.

All I know is that I never started a thread to put non-baiters down.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:57 am

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Making scammers get tattoos - Dangerous?

Nah, as long as you use an IP proxy or some other bait-safe modality. Cool

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:10 am

SlayerFaith wrote:

jojobean in a previous incarnation of this thread wrote:

There has not yet been a documented case of AIDS transmission from a tattoo. Before you ask my source, I will give it to you- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That was gonna be my reaction.
Surley this makes this thread and question null and viod?

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:23 am

I can't believe this thread hasn't made it to page 2 yet!

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