Baiting Lotto Scammers

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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:57 am

I have had a few successes with lottery lads what I�m going to try to do is set out how I go about it.

Firstly I don�t specifically target lottery frauds, I figure that lottery boys are really no different to those who do trunk-box, inheritance or whatever. The only difference is the script that they are using.

Step 1
My first step is to pick a batch out of my catcher account and send them a reply along the lines of �Wow this is great news, please tell me more�. I then continue along with pretty ordinary stuff like �What is Western Union�. At this stage I have a whole heap on the go; I have also found that lads improve if ignored for a week or more.

Step 2
Every so often a lad will stand out from the rest and deserves more specialist treatment. I then slowly add additional characters but with each one I�m testing the lad to see what interests him, what causes him frustration, gauge whether he is a novice or an experienced scammer and most importantly what his personality is. As I am testing the lad the majority of these don�t go anywhere particularly interesting, but some can still be a hoot.

At this stage be prepared for the lad to drop you, but remember that this isn�t a failure but rather an opportunity to learn what doesn�t work with him. My crocodile egg collecting scheme ended with a picture of half a dozen hen�s eggs. Not the result that I wanted but I did learn that there were limits to what he would do and that he was prepared to lie through his teeth. Take what you have learnt and then apply it to the same lad but with your other characters.

Step 3
Occasionally I find a lad that I can relate to and here the fun really starts. By this stage I would have been baiting him for several months using multiple characters and now have a pretty good grip on his personality. This means that I can begin target his weaknesses with a fresh tailor-made character. My favourite is the dying onga, but I have also had success as a former dictator who is trying to organize a coup to take-over a fictitious country. As a general rule they avoid terrorists and drug lords or at least I�ve never been successful as one of those.

Even when you�ve captured your lad remember what you�ve already learnt about him and maintain the logic of the bait. What I mean by that is that each email should flow logically from the other. This is something like a Fawlty Towers script in that it has its own internal logic but by any normal standard is totally insane.

I�ve now got to check whether one of my lads has completed his homework correctly. I set him the task of writing F* OFF 100 times, something like DUCK OFF or F* OFFF is just totally unacceptable.

419Eater is my life Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 293

I've heard lotto lads are tougher to bait than any others, but I don't fully understand why that is. Maybe they twig easier?

I've never tried one, myself.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:48 am

@Andronicus

I have heard that many times myself. Whilst it may well be true it isn�t my experience. Whether a lad sends out lotto scams or anything else is probably more a function of what formats he can get hold of rather than anything specific to the lad.

I have had trunk-box lads stick rigidly to their script regardless of my best efforts and lotto lads go off-script at the drop of a hat. The reverse is also true. I think that it depends more upon the individual lad rather than the format that he�s using.

You might like to have a go at this one. Whatever else you do never mention Max Payne, monkeys or penguins to him.

Ford Corporation.
10 Great Pulteney Street,
London, W1F 9NB
United Kingdom
Ref: BTD/968/07
Batch: 409978E

Dear [email protected],

WINNING NOTIFICATION
The prestigious Ford and GM has set out and successfully
organized a Sweepstakes marking the beginning of year anniversary, over
100,000.000.00 GBP was rolled out for our beginning of year Anniversary
Draws.

Your email address as indicated was drawn and attached to ticket number
008795727498 with serial numbers BTD/9080648302/06 and drew the lucky
numbers 14-21-25-39-40-47(20) which subsequently won you �75,000.00
GBP as one of the jackpot winners in this draw. the draws registered as
Draw number one was conducted in London, United Kingdom on the 20th of February 2007.

Please be informed by this winning notification to contact with your
designated agent who shall by duty guide you through the process to
facilitate the release of your prize.

Head Winning Claims Dept.
Mr.Bob Manlee.
Email: [email protected]
Sincerely,
Dr.Ann Hawkes
Head Customercare Service

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:02 am

Lotto lads have a reputation for being very addicted to their scripts and very fast to twig on anything but a very straight bait. That said, I've seen many successful lotto baiters posting here in the last year or so. I think there are 2 reasons for this:

1. Formats and modalities are sent from lad to lad pretty freely, and some of the ones now using lotto formats aren't the "pros" that made the lotto lads' rep a few years ago. This is probably true of any format in circulation. I'm fairly sure that the very first "overinvoiced contract" lads were quite professional compared to what we see today.

2. Telling baiters that such-and-such lads are hard to bait/ no fun is pretty much a guarantee that at least a few baiters will go after them with a vengeance Laughing

and post the results here for others to learn from.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:15 am

I thought it was the format itself which made it tough - here's your prize, now send the fee, no need for the Lad to establish extra credibility, no opportunities to get the Lad off script.

Of course, it may be that the smartest Lads gravitated to the smartest format. Confused

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:48 am

I've had some of my best fun with lotto lads.

I started my first baits with lotto lads and I found them a great learning curve. Now, I've recently gone back to them and I'm finding them easy Wink

Like any other bait, get to know your lad and take it from there.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:24 am

There may well be something in how I catch my lads but certainly I seem to specialize in the dumb ones. I have no idea what this lad's original script was, possibly a simple attempt at begging. Perhaps I am selecting the dumber ones. This particular lad is possibly too dumb too successfully bait but he's still good fun.

Certainly in my experience lotto lads are no different to any other group of lads.

Quote:

ME GO WESTNION THAY SAY ME DUME NOT CAM BACK CELL POELCE ME GO JELL WHAT ME DO NWO I NEED $200 FRO ME SHKOOL HELP ME PLESUE MR J0HN L3WIS ME GET $200 FORM YOU

Quote:

HELLO BRO,

U IN JAIL?????? U WANT ME SEND U HACKSAW TO GET OUT OF JAIL???????? I BAK CAKE WID HACKSAW INSIDE. DON'T EAT CAKE AS IT BRAKE UR TEETH JUST GET HACKSAW AND CUT THRO BARS AND ESCAPE.

WHEN U FREE SEND ME EMAIL AND I'LL SEND MORE MORY BY WETERUNION

Quote:

MEE NOT IN JELL IF ME GO BAKE TO WESTNION THAY CELL PCOLE ME GO TO JALL HELP ME YOU SEND ME $200 ANDME CAM NOT GET IT HELP ME

Quote:

HELLO BRO,

THAT IS VERY GOOD NEWS. MY WIFE IS ALSO PLEASED AS SHE WON'T HAVE TO BAKE YOU A CAKE WITH A HACKSAW INSIDE.

I WILL GO BACK TO MONEY GRAM AND GET THE MONY BACK AND THEN TAKE IT TO WESTERN UNION. I SEND YOU THE PAYMENT SLIP VERY SOON

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:27 pm

One of the things I do early on with lotto lads is dash out and borrow money to buy an expensive vehicle while I am trying to sort out the WU problems. This gives them the feeling that you are well and truly committed to their transaction. I find this really keeps them involved.. Laughing

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:42 pm

Has anyone asked to see a scanned copy of the check to know the lotto prize is "real". Reading some other baits I am thinking of going this route, with the hope they scan the check; at which point I can then print it out and go on a spending spree Very Happy

Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 3123

I'll definitely try that format for a lotto lad, thanks for posting!

I've never tried a lotto lad, as I, like many have heard how hard they are.

Baiting Guru Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 18313

I tried out a lotto lad, just for the heck of it. . . and must say that the reputation isn't all true. Slayerfaith makes some good points about that rep.

I think that they tend to be "faster" to run through their script and every single email has URGENT, ACT NOW, or something similar in the subject line.

I have successfully gotten my lotto lad to: explain how western union works, log in to 1TV5 20 times, wait two weeks for the money to be "unlocked" from the system, wait another few weeks (before and after 1TV5) for no reason, get WAY off script and now he's wooing me with dirty talk. (albeit, badly).

That said, I think that lads are often different in how they react and that fact is irregardless of what scam they are running.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:52 pm

All my lotto lads dump me. Sad

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:04 pm

Lotto lads are prone to send you two or three 'Winning' Emails. Get them off script from the start, by stating that under your countries law you are entitled to a payout for each winning notification they sent.

I always demand a photo of my favourite celebrity handing me one of those giant cheques at a champagne reception too.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:14 pm

I've done a lot of lotto lads. I wouldn't really say they are harder, just faster. They usually ask for money within the first 2 or 3 mails. If you aren't prepared to handle this it can seem tougher. If you have a proven method then they are like any other scammer.

Les mentioned buying a new car in anticipation of the money. I think thats a great idea. I use this on every lad I do. Not always a car but I start spending right away. Parties, boats, houses, whatever I want. It helps them feel you are dedicated to the transaction.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:41 pm

I should think that ASEM script will get the lads off script quicker, My mass mail lately has been lotto lads, you need least five different scripts to keep them going, I have about 12 I think, and which one I send depends on how they reply, which of course I'm going for bank accounts, other baiter's may go differ than I, but all the same.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:48 am

What always gets me about the Lotto Lads--

I delete their scam all the time. I tried it, didn't like it.

What annoys me about them is to tell me that I somehow had the 7 lucky winning #s--out of 1-100 ferchrissakes!--as well as several other people also doing so too. . The odds on this are beyond astonomical. I think the utmost lotto # possibility in the USA goes up to #56. Every number above that adds infinitely more billions of possiblilities.. I could do the actual math, but I'm too much on the edge now waiting for Paris to get out of jail later on today.

The Lotto Scam is one in which the Lago Lads show their cards not only on having an Amsterdam connection, but also their mathematical stupidity. But sigh-sadly-alas--some vics still fall for the lottery scam to this day w/o doing the math. There is NO USA lottery that ventures in to even the 60s as numbers to choose from. Yet the lads think differently.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:07 am

JT: For a 7-out-of-100 straight draw, I get a 1 in 80,678,106,432,000 chance. It's probably less with all the combinations that most (legitimate) lottery organizers offer, but at odds that low, even doubling your chance is still leaving you in the "Nah, never happen, mate!" area.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:33 am

slingblade wrote:

Has anyone asked to see a scanned copy of the check to know the lotto prize is "real"... at which point I can then print it out and go on a spending spree Very Happy

BTDT, lad went through the roof Laughing

The all brand new electronic cheques are amazing Laughing

Every body knows that western banks are accepting "print-out" cheques Wink

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:56 am

Otterfan wrote:

JT: For a 7-out-of-100 straight draw, I get a 1 in 80,678,106,432,000 chance.

You'd have to calculate the fact that doubles seem to be allowed, e.g. quite frequently your lucky numbers are something like 7-19-44-56-59-78-19. Very Happy

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:07 am

I have a very fun lotto lad who has endured hours of ITV5, had 3 banks reported to Alan and we're now back to Western Union Laughing

Supposedly Coke had a annual UK promotion and my email was attached to the some reference file..

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:15 am

hey Mr Collateral Damage yea I wrote your Mr Manlee and he responded with this: "

YOU NO WIN LOTTERY ME NOT SEMD YOU WIN EAIL F*CK OFF YOU NOT GET MOEY "

nice guy you must of crapped in his cornflakes,-better send him another email just so i clarify his position

i wrote him back: "why are you treating me like this ,what have i done you
tell me i won then you treat me like this,we could have had fun spending all that money-so that is how you feel dont do this to me i am so very sorry ,you are a good man just not feeling all that good right now-please tell me you like me-larson"

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:18 am

Hi Otter and Don--^^

Yeah, but even at 80 trillion-to-1, what are the odds of 6 or 7 OTHER winners ALSO picking the same #s as you, as the lad says? Your abacus does not go there. Neither does mine. That's 1500x the world population just with 1 winner LOL! [Where's some 12 yr old math geek with glasses when we need one?]

One thing more--all USA lotteries are win-the-jackpot-on-6 #s. . No state would ever consider win-on-7.

cheerz--JT

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:05 am

@dgloryhole

Yup .. Mr M@nl33 is a strange one. Actually I've never done anything particularly bad to him apart from sending him the occasional full-bodied blood curding insult. So I think that he thinks you're me.

This is my latest communication from him.

Quote:

A ASS HOLE IS SILEING ME MONEY HE SAND EMIAL TO GUYS THAT A SEND EMAIL TO THAY GIVE HIM MOEY AND NOT ME I GET NO MONEY I LONG TIMEHE SLITING IT DONT SEND ME EMAIL LIIST ASS HOLE FUCK OFFF AS HLOE GOWAY YOU DIENOW

I'd play it straight for awhile and perhaps he'll realize that you're a real live potential victim. Otherwise well he is a great source of insults, his vocabulary is somewhat limited though.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:15 am

YOU DUCK OFF NOW ASSS HLOW YOU DIE NOW YOU NOT GOT MONEY F* HEAD ME NOT EMAIL YOU YOU NOT GET MOEY F* FFO

He was quick to email me this back and i am starting to like the little fellow-must send him off another letter -DG

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:23 pm

My Lotto Lad is beginning to fray around the edges. I've been sending him enormous .tif files of my WU form and "receipt", averaging 8-10 mb in size. Of course, he couldn't deal with those. Twisted Evil

Finally, I've sent them in a managable size as jpg's, but compressed at 65-1 so they're all but unreadable - but tantalizingly so. Wink

Anyway, I got this from him:

Quote:

YOUR ATTACHED IS NOT CLEAR..YOU HAVE TO STOP ATTACHING AND LOOK AT THE WESTERN UNION PAYMENT SILP AND HAVE THIS INFORMATION SENT TO US..(Your winnings has less than 48hours more or you lost it.)

Should I give him a coupla slaps, or continue on in my helpless, apologetic widow modality?