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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:37 pm

Don't make the lads pay an entry fee. Instead, make each lad think that all the OTHERS have had to pay one. Remind each lad that this means he probably shouldn't do too much socializing with the other racers, lest his cover be blown. Oh, and although they don't have to pay, make each one fill out some lengthy sponsorship forms. And of course they have to supply their own bikes. Wink

This will be a big operation, incidentally, we might need one baiter for each lad, we'll certainly need one CHARACTER for each lad.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:14 pm

Great thinking Fat cat. The bikes thing will probably be the expensive part. That and travelling to the race of course.

I think that will be a good way of preveenting socialisng too. Good work.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:18 pm

Fat Old Catt wrote:

I think that if we tell the lads that the prize ONLY goes to the winner, it will discourage the lads from getting others involved, because they'll want less competition.

Which is why I don't like the idea of claiming that there is a cash prize for EVERY participant regardless of place.

I agree. 1st, with 2nd and 3rd getting a much smaller prize. We've got to make them compete.

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:55 am

Why thank you! I try. Very Happy

All right, should we have volunteers sign up here to handle the necessary baiting?

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:05 am

Shiver may have done the Parrot sketch but I sense a nice little Mad Max bit in all these motorcycles. Can anyone figure out how to get them to dress all punkers and metal head for this? That would be hours of quality entertainment right there. Laughing

Master Baiter Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 105

might fit in well with something I'm working on. Then again......I dunno.

Might not be where I am now much longer.

0sc4r

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:57 am

Mik3 R0tch Burn5 & Co. M0rtgag3s can afford to pitch in $7500.

But we will require an advertising board track-side Twisted Evil

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:58 am

Well, there's no harm in trying. Cool

Okay, here are a few ideas off the top of my head, perhaps this could make a good instruction sheet for participating baiters:

1. Make up a funny company title, and the next few lads to contact you will get solicited to wear that company's logo in an annual motorbike rally in Nigeria. Offer to sponsor him and pay the entry fee for him, dazzle him with the cash prize. Make sure and remind him that most of the other entrants paid their fees themselves, so he probably shouldn't do much socializing while there, otherwise his cover might get blown.

2. Bait one lad, of course, into posing as the race official and to hold the camcorder, promise him a nice slice of the entry fees and make some excuse as to why he can't collect until after the race. Remind him to make sure that he doesn't let any of the contestants know that he's not really a race official, otherwise the contestants might get angry. Preferably write a speech to give to the crowd.

3. Send the racers some long entry forms to fill out, and send the official a nice long contract to fill out. Of course, mention that he'll have to bring his own motorbike and draw the logo on a t-shirt himself.

4. Don't give out any information about where and when it'll take place until you're sure the lad's fallen for it, in case some of the lads twig and might want to warn the others.

5. If more than one lad falls for your bait and seems ready to ride for your company, pick one that is particularly worthy, and send the others on a nice long safari to somewhere else in Africa, only to find out that there is no race there. Then send your chosen lad to the locale and the raceway.

(The way I figure it, even if something goes wrong and the race doesn't actually happen (say, if one of the lads twigs and warns the others, or the race official is so inept that he simply can't organize the racers well enough to make it happen), we'll still have given each lad some lengthy forms to fill out, made them purchase motorbikes and sent them on nice long trips, so it still qualifies as a successful bait either way. Very Happy

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6. If the race does happen and you do get the video, give the winner some nice long forms to fill out before he can get his winnings, and send him on a nice long safari to pick up his winnings at your branch office somewhere, preferably in Sudan.

Once again, this is just off the top of my head, and keep in mind I've only been baiting for a couple of months, does it seem feasible to the veterans here?

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:02 am

hahahaha i love it.

The problem is that the race organiser actually has to organise a real race in order to get some footage etc.

They need to find a track, or suitable equivalent, set it up and then run the thing.

But other than that... what could possibly go wrong? Laughing

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:19 am

^^^^ Yeah, we will have to find a lad who can find a good track for the race to take place on, and he'll have to get some ribbon to mark it, and make a green flag and a checkered flag, but of course he'll have to make all of them himself, so no worry for us.

We might make him write a motivational speech to give to the racers before they start (and he'll send the speech to us for us to "proofread" and perhaps make a few strategic edits "for clarity" Wink

).

And, like I said, he doesn't have to do particularly well at it, because by the time the lads are all there with their own bikes and stuff, it doesn't really matter if the race gets run or not, we've still accomplished our mission, namely to waste their time and make them unhappy.

I really, really, REALLY hope it does run, though.

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:22 am

I take it this is a full contact motorbike race? Twisted Evil

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:31 am

Well... hmm... let's leave that up for the lads to decide.

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:39 am

This isn't that tough, but it will take a team effort.

1) No track needed because it's a "rally" from point A to point B. Thats the only way you can justify amateurs a chance to win. (Think Gumball Rally) plus you have a chance at a safari. Don't make it too long or you might scare off some lads.

2) Entrants start at different times so that there isn't a big congregation of Lads at the starting gate. (therefore no interaction) You just need a lad willing to "operate" the starting point. Keep them close enough that they see a couple of competitors but don't catch on. Another lad videos the start. You don't need a lad at the finish because we don't care about them completing. Remember it isn't a real rally.

3) One baiter needs to "organize" the event. (read: decide on date, route, starting time, keep baiters informed, and so on). It was Foss' idea so I nominate him. Razz

ethical or not

4) Willing baiters need to recruit "competitors". Enough said, you all know how to do that.

5) One Baiter should mock up "advertising" to include "sponsors" that we can use to recruit competitors. I still believe that you have to offer a guaranteed prize (sorry FOC) to each competitor or you won't get some of them to even try. After all it does require getting them off of their lazy asses.

I have organized RL events similar to this and I would be glad to help if you will have me. If not thats fine, I can promise you 3 competitors no matter where it is if given a months notice.

Feel free to PM me, Don't feel bad if you don't. But either way, I'm in.

Gentlemen, start your engines.

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:51 am

Oh, we'd love to have your help B. A. Ware, we need quite a few baiters helping on this.

Hmm, I hadn't thought about the motivational idea of a cash prize for every participant. Maybe we do need to offer a prize to every contestant.

Wait, I've got it. Make them think that the entry fee is more of a deposit, and at the end of the race each entrant gets his entry fee back. That way the lad thinks that he's the luckiest of the bunch, since someone else paid his entry fee for him he'll be richer at the end and nobody else will be. It'll make the disappointment all the more crushing when he finds out he won't.

It works both ways, we don't encourage tpi involvement and we really make the lads obedient. Thanks B. A. Ware

As for starting at different times... well, I don't know how that kind of thing works. I would like to have the lad operating the starting gate videotaping it so we know how many lads turned up.

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:57 am

Another n00b but I'm more than willing to help Foss with this task.

Why not put a lad at the start and a lad at the end? No harm in seeing them cross the finish line and coating themselves in champagne.

The start could be, for example, Accra and the end could be Abidjan.

You could run it like a rally, as in, you're clocking the best time over the course, so you could stagger the starts.

Lad A starts at 9am
Lad B at 10am
Lad C etc etc

This way, no contact with anyone but the "organiser" and no idea they're not the "lucky" one.

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:26 am

@FOC

You wrote:

Make them think that the entry fee is more of a deposit, and at the end of the race each entrant gets his entry fee back. That way the lad thinks that he's the luckiest of the bunch, since someone else paid his entry fee for him he'll be richer at the end and nobody else will be. It'll make the disappointment all the more crushing when he finds out he won't.

That is pure genious. It also shows what can happen when two people who disagree discuss the project instead of argue about it.

@red

You wrote:

Why not put a lad at the start and a lad at the end? No harm in seeing them cross the finish line and coating themselves in champagne.

Good point. only takes one more baiter to recruit one more "video expert" to film the end. Plus it pays very well. Very Happy

You also wrote:

Lad A starts at 9am
Lad B at 10am
Lad C etc etc

I agree with the rally scenario, but I would start them closer together so that the starting lad and the video lad don't get bored between competitors and quit. Plus it would let the competitors see each other for a minute if you kept the starting times only 10 minutes apart. That would allow them to see their competition, and who knows what trouble that may cause later on in the race. Twisted Evil

As I see it, step one is to nominate someone to take charge of the bait. As I said, it is Foss' idea, I nominate him. Red has already offered to help him so I nomonate him as 1st Officer.

Lets take it one step at a time. I really think this could be big. I mean YW and BW big.

Lets do it.

"TICKET PRICE INCLUDES THE WHOLE SEAT BUT YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE EDGE"

B. A. Ware

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:15 am

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:29 am

^^^NICE

Good start to our advertising and sponsor marketing. Cool

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:22 am

So you are going with my cross africa idea rather than the track now?

Well I'll just shuffle off then. It's OK I don't need credit or involvement.

Bloody plagiarism.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 37

i would be more than willing to help - what we need is a list of jobs then to cross off each one as we get a baiter to fill it. Obviously anyone can get racers, we just need a few specific people to be in controll of the whole operation?

I would set up a new account and have it for lads applying to race? then just send them off a few forms to fill in and send back because their are obviously forms....

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:21 pm

Each lad will have to provide his own bike, at least, and maybe helmet, riding gear, etc.

I can foresee a lot of "you must pay 50% of my fees so i can take part inthis" demands. Remember: most of them detest the thought of spending their own money.

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:04 pm

@ Malleus.
Sorry you feel left out, buddy, you're welcome in the fold. Very Happy

B. A. Ware wrote:

That is pure genious. It also shows what can happen when two people who disagree discuss the project instead of argue about it.

Why thank you! And yes it is. That's an important thing to remember.

Otterfan wrote:

I can foresee a lot of "you must pay 50% of my fees so i can take part inthis" demands. Remember: most of them detest the thought of spending their own money.

Just remind him that we're already paying a lot more than 50% of his fees just by paying his entry fee. Wink

And give him a good hard slap if he complains about the cost of the bike. He has a lot to be thankful for, since he'll get the entry fee "back" at the end and be a lot richer no matter what.

Okay, now to pick a time and place for the beginning and ending.

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:10 pm

What is the entry fee, have we came up with that yet, you know, one lad may talk to another about what their fee is and every one stick to that fee, I know we will pay the fee to get them in rally race.

wouldn't you think Accra is a wrong place to start, better yet, lagos and it should stay in lagos city, getting a rally around town, just my thought.

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:21 pm

As much as I would love to see this take place, I really do think it will stall at the "hiring equipment" stage. If anyone would take a bet on the fate of the plan, that's where my money would go.

It's a short con for him. Look at it from his point of view: He agrees to enter, gives you some made-up prices about the price of the bike hire, asks for that price (all of it or even just a fraction), then gets ready to bugger off never to be heard from again when your WU payment comes through.
Why would he put any more effort into it than that? Even if he's going to scam you for just $500 for the bike hire, that's an effortless $500, and that's several months' internet cafe time paid for so he can work on his more lucrative, long-term, scams.
You would have to make the actual participation in the event REALLY attractive, with a certain and guaranteed pay-out, to make him forego the quick-n-easy fraud he could pull off at the "hire" stage.

Remember, it's advance fee fraud they know best.

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:32 pm

^^^Keep in mind that every entrant will be promised $500. The whole bait is to make them think they can win. 1st place could pay $10,000 or $14.7M or whatever we want it to pay. Very Happy

Also, many lads already own motorbikes. Those are the ones we will concentrate on.