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Baiting Guru Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 12237

This whole thread reads like a bait in progress, with wenar being the baiter. He just dangled a carrot, pictures/video/audio. Lets play it straight.

I'd love to see the pictures/video/audio.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 26

I have a question; the 20,000,000 $ is supposed to be on a National Bank of Ghana account. Our �lawyer� in Ghana says that the National Bank does not give out account information owned by private individuals. We have not received any bank account numbers yet and the reason they gave was the National Bank of Ghana and its restrictions. If I call the bank and fax over passports and what ever, will I be able to get account information, even if they don�t exist? I am asking if the National Bank of Ghana gives out information or not.

Also for all of you calling me a BADger (inside joke I presume), could you at least give me the chance to answer any doubts you have? Just write what you think is strange, but please keep in mind that I am not willing/able to give out more information regard myself (you can probably find out exactly where I live and what I do with the little info I have given). I can give some regarding the case, but not too detailed.
I also want to repeat what I first said when I started this post: This is from MY, the sons, perspective. That means that I do not know everything and that some of the stuff I do know is likely to be false.

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:57 pm

wenar wrote:

I am asking if the National Bank of Ghana gives out information or not.

On non-existant accounts with non-existant money in it opened by non-existant people? Guess not.

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:13 pm

I want to watch this one. Very interesting.

wenar wrote:

We have very good pictures/video/audio of 8 of the scammers (out of approximately 13-15).

Please post them.

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:21 pm

wenar wrote:

If I call the bank and fax over passports and what ever, will I be able to get account information, even if they don�t exist?

Are you holding out hope that, by some chance, this is a legitimate transaction?

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:22 pm

wenar wrote:

If I call the bank and fax over passports and what ever, will I be able to get account information, even if they don’t exist? I am asking if the National Bank of Ghana gives out information or not.

Why not call and ask them yourself? Or would you prefer that someone here call for you? Laughing

CONTACT ADDRESS

BANK OF GHANA

1 THORPE ROAD
P.O. BOX 2674
ACCRA

TEL: 233 21 666902-9
233 21 666174-6

TELEX: 233 21 2052, 2541, 2542 GHBANK GH

FAX: 233 21 662996

EMAIL: [email protected]

Not quite a Newb Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 26

Thansk for the info, I will call them on Tuesday.

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:24 pm

@ Wenar

I truly believe that your father was not scammed. You are persistant about the lawer and the bank.

If your father was truly scammed. The money is gone.

If you have the photos and video. simply post it.

This is going no where.

@ mod: I suggest you lock this thread.

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:38 pm

This thread makes my head spin... Shocked

Not quite a Newb Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 26

Regarding the photo evidence: I promise to post them after we hear from our lawyer (unless he says we should not, but I am guessing that he would be very happy if more people saw the photos). I am hoping that they will be recognized by you so that we can solve yet another puzzle in this game. I will also release phone numbers, email addresses, email messages and company names. But I can not and will not do it yet, because of the simple fact that it might threaten the police investigation (if there is any) and the lawyers own investigation.

Please remember that the whole idea with this topic is to; A) Get some information that can be used to convince my father (he still believes that the money is real). B) Get some help and advice to either get the money back or prosecute them. C) Share my experience and maybe help others to learn the acting pattern of these scammers.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 26

luckey wrote:

wenar wrote:

If I call the bank and fax over passports and what ever, will I be able to get account information, even if they don�t exist?

Are you holding out hope that, by some chance, this is a legitimate transaction?

I am hoping to prove to my father that this account is not real. I believe that it is a scam, and if I could find out that the National Bank of Ghana does issue out account information (which our Ghana �lawyer� says they don�t), then I can point to the fact that the lawyer lied and that there is no such account.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 41

Zen wrote:

EDIT: this thread was briefly locked - I've unlocked it after checking with fellow mods. Can I ask fellow baiters to be a little gentler - none of the reasons for doubting the story in the O/P are valid, IMO.

Since many of you, including a post I deleted this morning, don't feel like listening to Zen's polite request I'll just go ahead and lock this again.

Frodo wrote:

If you're serious about this transaction, you need to provide the real names used by the scammers and their email addresses. If you hide all the relevant information, there's not a lot anyone can do.

He is absolutely right.

If you truly want help, either PM one of the other mods or Frodo with this information and one will look at it. I think that any questions that your father is involved in a legitimate transaction have been answered and if you honestly have a lawyer he will be able to answer your father's questions better than we can.

Other than that this thread is finished- you will continue not posting scammer names and email addresses, those that want to help will continue being frustrated by your lack of information, and those that think you are a liar will continue posting their theories about it.

Rumbero wrote:

@ mod: I suggest you lock this thread.

Gee, thanks for your suggestion.
Rolling Eyes

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:02 am

Unlocked again Confused

wenar - it is important to understand that no one involved in the scam can be trusted. The role of the lawyer in these cases is to remove the victim's objections:

- if the victim does not object to something, the lawyer does not get involved

- if the victim objects to something, the lawyer investigates and eventually says everything is OK

- if the victim discovers an enormous gaping hole in the scammer's story, the lawyer will be there to confirm the victim's fears that criminals are involved. And then he will do his best to get the transaction back on track, going back to a point where the scam was vaguely plausible. If the victim "believes" that the money is real, he will ignore any past involvement of shady / criminal elements, as long as the lawyer advises him that they have been taken out of the transaction and replaced by new, trustworthy characters. "Showing the trunkbox" is a great way of getting the victim to believe again after a set-back.

I heard of another group of scam victims (interesting, they are also from Sweden) who believe they can inherit a business empire in Nigeria. They were also scammed by a good-guy bad-guy team. Eventually they were convinced that the bad-guy was really a bad-guy - so they went back to the good-guy for advice, and they were scammed again.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 26

I have to ask. We know there are a lot of people involved, do they all have contacts with each other? Do they synchronise their actions? This is the latest news: One person wants 3500 � to bribe a lawyer so that he can get out some documents that we can use to borrow 50,000 $.
When he first asked for 50,000 $ and we said we could not pay, so he thought of this plan, he could issue documents proving that 20,000,000 $ exist. The funny thing is that the document he wants from the judge comes from his own bank. He is the bank owner. I just think it�s silly that he can�t print out a few documents and bank account information from his own bank.

They are also trying to get money out of us from a different angle: We owe the government in Ghana tax money because of the 20,000,000 $. One government official wants us to pay some 100,000 $ which he promised that we could pay after we receive the 20,000,000 $.

That is why I am asking about the synchronising. The bank owner and the Ghana official know each other, we know this.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 41

Often one lad will play multiple roles by using different email addresses and pretend to be the lawyer, bank official, security official, etc.

If you are dealing with a gang then yes, they will coordinate with each other- they have to let each other know what is going on and what should be told to the victim next, especially if a victim is travelling to meet them.

This is one reason emails with headers would be helpful.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 09 Apr 2007 Posts: 21

Whatever else, wenars swedish looks real enough.

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:19 pm

^^^ But not mine, eh? Wink

Thanks for the confirmation GeorgJ. I can tell the difference between real Swedish and babelfish-swedish, and I was confident it was genuine.

@wenar - as TSnerd says, the scammers definitely co-ordinate their stories. The gang is probably a small one - often they are run by an extended family. The head of the gang often plays a role like the lawyer (most scammers prefer the word "barrister"). Sometimes two gangs will co-operate with each other if one cannot run the scam on its own. They may look to another gang to provide a contact in Europe, or issue a fake cheque, or any other specialist service.

When you say they are "silly", they are just following their normal strategy. All they want to do is make the victim pay, preferably a large amount. They will invent one story after another - when a victim pays something, a new problem will arise, and a new payment will be required.

The bank owner is not really a bank owner, just an ordinary criminal pretending to be a bank owner. He uses Photoshop to create fake documents. Similarly, the government official is not really a government official - he's another criminal who has invented the idea of "tax" as a reason why more money must be paid.

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:18 pm

Jag tror fortfarande det h�r n�got slags sk�mt. Om det �r riktigt,s� skulle du ha visat upp mera bevis �n vad du har gjort, men i st�llet s� har du bara j�tt lite information h�r och lite information d�r. Men menar du fortfarande att det �r oskyldig, s� vissa upp videon som du pratar om och sluta larva dej.

PS: Vem som helst kanskriva p� svenska bara man har n�n som bor i Svergie.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 09 Apr 2007 Posts: 21

Det er riktig. Spr�kkunnskaper er ingen garanti for at wenar ikke lyver. Det er tross alt ikke spesielt vanskelig for en svenske � late som om han opprinnelig er en kurder. Men svensken er korrekt nok, det er det liten tvil om.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 17

Just found out I know more swedish than I would have imagned Laughing

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:38 pm

^^^ and I just found out I knew less than I thought.

Gentle reminder to all posters... this is an English-language board - no more Swedish please. Tack

Not quite a Newb Joined: 09 Apr 2007 Posts: 21

I have been asked by TSnerd to translate Slightlyoutofit and my own last posts. They read as following:

Slightlyoutofit(swedish):

"I still believe this is some kind of set-up. If this is right, you should have shown more evidence than you have thus far, but instead you have only been giving out a little information at the time.But if you still mean that you are innocent, show the video you are talking about and stop playing around.

PS: Anybody can write swedish as long as they know somebody that live in Sweden."

Georgj(norwegian):

"That is correct. Knowledge of languages does not prove that wenar is not lying. After all, it's not that hard for a swede to pretend to be a kurd. But his swedish is correct, it can be little doubt about that."

I hope that was helpful.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 41

Thank you, GeorgJ Very Happy

This is my final comment on this:

I am very tired of the Badger accusations. Evil or Very Mad

The next poster who accuses wenar of lying will get a warned tag.

Either post helpful comments to help this user or stay out of this thread!

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:19 pm

GeorgJ wrote:

Knowledge of languages does not prove that wenar is not lying.

That's absolutely correct GeorgJ, and thanks for the translations. However, the fact that I take it seriously and have some experience in these matters might suggest that he isn't lying. At any rate, that is what I think.

@TSnerd - thanks for the intervention. As discussed in PMs, I could close this thread and help wenar via PM/email. However, I am hoping that, by keeping this thread open, the wider membership might learn something about scams and scam victims. But we may need to go back to basics and get people to read carefully and avoid jumping to conclusions.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 26

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This is a message from the "lawyer".

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This is a message from the "bank owner".

I have a few more emails, but they are on my fathers email account and I do not know the password. I did however forward them to my other email account. Can I use header info with forwarded messages?

To Mods: Please overwrite any info (my own email/name or other) with a XXX in case i missed them.

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