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Bertie Magoo
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 40
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:20 pm |
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I'm just curious as to whether the lads work in teams and there is some kind of hierarchal structure.
Although I'm still relatively inexperienced most of my baits have followed a similar pattern.
There is the standard opening set of emails and then once I'm 'hooked' a different character appears on the scene to take over, ie barrister etc. Once the 'barrister' takes over the standard of English seems to improve considerably.
It's almost like there is a chain. Mugu at the bottom of the tree blasts away with millions of emails and once he lands a sucker, he hands it up to chain to a more 'senior' mugu.
What do you think? I always just presumed it was the same mugu but now I'm having second thoughts on this! |
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pilgrim
Elite Baiter
Joined: 19 May 2004
Posts: 1789
Location: In the colonies
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:25 pm |
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Sometimes the lad works alone, and plays the role of the initial solicitor, the banker, the lawyer, etc.
Sometimes the person who initially contacts you is just a small boy catcher in an organization. He may pass you on to a lawyer or banker played by a big boy. At the top may be an oga or boss who may or may not play a role. He gets most of the money from the victims. |
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JMRazor
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 Mar 2006
Posts: 7103
Location: Yes
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:33 pm |
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Given what Pilgrim said, it can be often fun to demean the one lad to the other. For instance if your catcher turns you over to the diplomat/lawyer, you can keep the catcher in the loop by constantly complaining about the diplomat/lawyer -- how he's an idiot, how he can't be trusted, etc. Then if you can get the catcher to say something bad about the diplomat/lawyer, you immediately send that to him showing how his associate isn't a very loyal colleague. Alternatively, you can insult the diplomat/lawyer directly -- saying how he's not as smart or polished as the catcher (this is the best when it's obviously not true) -- it will occasionally drive the lads nuts. |
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Tsnerd
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 14 Jul 2005
Posts: 41
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:35 pm |
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Check your IP's.
If you're dealing with an organized gang you'll see various locations such as the UK and The Netherlands.
If it's just one lad it will usually be the same IP from different emails all sent from the same internet cafe. |
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jojobean
Baiting Guru
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Posts: 7586
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:48 pm |
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I have always believed, that if it is the same lad playing all rolls, that you copy the lads on everything. That way, they get the same email in two or three accounts. It can be quite annoying for them. |
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Harry Bawls
Elite Baiter
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 1310
Location: Somewhere, nowhere, everywhere
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:35 am |
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I got a lad to tell the "hacker" that his partner was ruining his scam. I was getting 2 distinct styles, supposedly from the same lad. This is the first time I had proof that there were 2 different people involved in one of my baits. |
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Joaquin
419Eater is my life
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 456
Location: Guatemala (GMT-6)
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:36 am |
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Pilgrim wrote: |
At the top may be an oga or boss who may or may not play a role. He gets most of the money from the victims. |
�That's interesting! These lads have a solid and proven structure ... They have copied the "modality" from the oldest profession in the world ... Somebody does all the "hard" work and somebody else gets most of the money ...
Some minor changes the scammers made is that in the other "profession" instead of lads the "workers" are called "whores" ... And instead of Oga the big macho is called "pimp" ... And also, with these others the victims do get something for what they pay ... Even if it is AIDS or a venereal desease, but they do get something for their money ... So it is not risky free ... And payment is delivered directly, not through Western Union ... And most will even accept credit cards now ...
Seriously, very interesting topic. I am going to stay close to this one. I want to learn much more about how the whole scamming circus works. |
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Righteous
Master Baiter
Joined: 28 Nov 2006
Posts: 152
Location: Someplace my mugus will never think to look.
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:02 pm |
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^^^^^
Joaquin, on the Letters Archive page there's a very interesting interview somebody did with some scammers, posing as a reporter. Of course they're all professional liars but he got some pretty consistent answers from all of them. |
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Jeff
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Joined: 28 Jun 2006
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Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:08 am |
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@ jojobean.
I forward and cc everything to all parties concerned from the very beginning. You're right. They don't like it at all! Even I get confused after a while |
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RedGadge
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Posts: 41
Location: Oop North
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Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:57 am |
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I'm in correspondence with two - a lawyer and a banker, who use the same IP address! I'm cutting the lawyer out of the deal, following his introductions, just to see how he'll react knowing fine well that I'm lying. But his problem of course is that he can't admit to knowing what the banker knows. |
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spot
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Joined: 25 Aug 2005
Posts: 9149
Location: Criminal Disruption Department.
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Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:16 pm |
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Going back to JoJo's point .....
Sometimes when I'm dealing with a Lotto company, Payment Agent, Barrister and Security Dispatch Company. I put all four addresses in the "TO:-" field and write something that doesn't refer to any ONE of them.
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" I need to know if the dates you mentioned can be extended in any way" |
and see who answers ...... then write back and say that I wasn't asking them, I was just asking the others ...... what's the "CC" thing ? |
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Dolores
419Eater is my life
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:47 am |
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"CC" stands for "Carbon Copy," referring to those papers where what you write on one shows up on the one(s) under it. In email, it basically means the people in the CC list get a copy of the email as well.
I *think* the difference between that and just sending the email to all parties in the normal way is that in CC they can tell who the email was specifically directed to. I'm not 100% sure on that since I've never needed to use it myself... |
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