On a more serious note.

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:58 pm

This Lad is a new bait I've started and I've just clicked that he hasn't once mentioned the WU or bank details. In fact he wants me to fly out to SA to do everything in person.

I want to know if you can come down to South Africa as soon as possible,if so organise your flight schedule and send me your details so that I can start arranging with my bankers here for the change of the documents into your name.The bank will need two to three days notice before they can release the funds.You will open a non residense accont with a local bank here were the funds will first be deposited,before onward transfer to your nominated accout/s abroad.
The transaction will take two to three banking days,on your arrival at the airport,I will pick you up and drop you to your hotel,after you have refreshed,we will go for a meeting with the bankers involve to discuse in details on the procedure.

I've always seen scambaiting as fun so this got me thinking about the seriousness of it if I had fallen for the email and gone to SA. Chances are I would be kidnapped, held for ransom and possibly even murdered.
I suppose this is a word-up for anyone new to baiting. You will be told to bait safe alot in these forums because the Lads we deal with are not just unpleasant but extremely dangerous. So I'll reiterate - BAIT SAFE Wink

Baiting Guru Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 11857 Location: UK

If a scammer asks a victim to come down to South Africa or anywhere else, these are the possible consequences of going to meet them:

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1641875,00.html

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:08 pm

When I was newer at baiting, I freaked at a similar message, except that they were going to put me up at a hotel in Togo.

I immediately dropped the bait; I didn't feel good about it.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:10 pm

I'm definately gonna keep baiting this guy because the more time he spends on me the less time he's got to lock onto an unsuspecting victim. It does make me feel uneasy that people will stoop to this level but keeping these guys busy is partly why we do this.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:27 pm

I feel exactly the same Rodus and one of my earlier baits made me feel very uncomfortable when I got invited to a European airport. My attitude is take them down hard if you can. You can get tickets, timetables, the works to back up any flight bait you lay. Just act rich and dumb.

By acting dumb you may get more of what they intend for you out of them - like asking is it okay to bring the wife ? - should I tell the office where I am ? - the hotel are arranging a courtesy car to pick me up is that okay ? These are innocent dumb questions but their answers would be interesting to see printed in your finished/ongoing bait.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:37 pm

Yeah Gomer, I'm going to try and sort out a fake airline receipt and get him to book me a room in an expensive Hotel, Of course I'll pay him when I get there Wink

I think i'll also tell him I'm thinking of bringing my attractive, single PA along, send him some pics and hope he falls for her Very Happy

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:46 pm

There shouldn't be any problems, and surely a lot of fun, if you don't actually travel there, but make them definitely think you are going.

You can send them a travel itinerary, based on a real flight, preferably arriving in the wee hours of the morning or any other difficult time, and ask them to pick you up at the airport with a sign.

Also ask them to send you confirmed reservations receipts from Hotel ($400 a night minimum for your status) and Rental Car (nothing very fancy, a Hummer, Range Rover or Porsche Cayenne will do) etc.

Make them work and move all over the place to prepare for your "arrival". After they find out, too late, that you were not on the plane, you might even get a nice death threat, or you can always reschedule your trip and start all over again.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:01 pm

I have a large multiple bait going on - and have lost track of some of the lads I have on a string - but I just noticed I have an invite to fly to South Africa from one, though I said I could only get as far as Kenya. It's such a bitch when that happens. Very Happy

I'll pm you to check if we have the same guy, and if you like we can work on him from different angles to leave him shredded, if its the same one. I have nick addy and phone number.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:18 pm

Sorry Gomer, we've got different lads. Shame really as a joint bait could be fun

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:23 pm

I've found if you simply explain it's not possible to go to them they quickly change tac and the WU requests start flowing.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:27 pm

Make sure you send real flight details, a lot of times they check. Guess the stories get around about baiters messing with them.

There are all kinds of ways to continue the bait after they miss you at the airport: You missed the plane and have to rebook, you didn't see them so you went to the hotel instead, customs arrested you, you accidentally booked the flight to Niger instead of Nigeria, you went with another guy who claimed to be your Lad, you got kidnapped and now a family member is emailing the Lad asking for help...

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:28 pm

Tell them you went to Lagos, Portugal and they weren't there.

edit: oops, just noticed it's SA, not Nigeria

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:34 pm

^^^^ There's a Johannesburg in California...out in the middle of nowhere.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:38 pm

As mentioned that lad has plans to kidnap you or threaten you in some other way.

Turn it around and see if you can get a mini safari out of this. Mix up the cities or airports, and have your lad travel to meet you. If it's Nigeria, your booked an airline ticket to Lagos instead of Abuja. Have him pick you up, then vanish on him.

He'll try to desperately find you. You can say you took a bus to your hotel but ended up 200 miles away. Oops you are new to the country. Have your lad meet you again. Laughing

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:17 pm

He hasn't actually told me where in SA he is but his IP address comes from the outskirts of JBerg (actually a town called Midrand). Because he hasn't told me where to fly too I think Cape Town would be nice as I hear it's beautiful and I'm sure he would appreciate the drive there.
I am also going to tell him that I am bringing my 18 yr old daughter with me, just to get his blood presure up. What are the ethics of using a picture of a (clothed) porn model?
I'm gonna get him to book a room for me in the Sheraton Pretoria as it looks rather nice (and bloody expensive) and I can check the reservation on their freephone number I believe.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:27 pm

Quote:

What are the ethics of using a picture of a (clothed) porn model?

I can never find pictures of porn models with their clothes on and I try hard to find them, I really do. My superduper model character, Sh0z3r T1tz0v, is a nude model/porn actress and I use her (tasteful) pics to send to my lads. Needless to say they all fall in love with her and then the fun begins! Very Happy

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:35 pm

Rodus Longus wrote:

I'm gonna get him to book a room for me in the Sheraton Pretoria as it looks rather nice (and bloody expensive) and I can check the reservation on their freephone number I believe.

Make sure to tell him you demand a "100% confirmed" reservation (which will require a deposit equivalent to one night stay). For which of course you will reimburse him immediately upon your arrival. Hopefully he will dig up the money and give it to the Hotel if he is convinced you will show up.

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:51 am

I asked my lad to organise a couple of hookers at the hotel too as a nice 'welcoming committee'. We went into a lot of detail about my requirements and we haggled over a price and I even offered to let him join in but he got all prudish and said he was a happily married man. So am I - so what?!

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:03 am

I can't really ask for hookers as I am taking my lovely danghter

I may however ask for him to arrange a safari for us and send the receipts

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:12 am

If course you can have hookers. Your daughter will be staying in a different room of course and so long as you keep the noise down she won't know a thing. You did remember to tell your lad to book TWO rooms I assume?

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:25 am

Haven't told him to book anything yet as I'm supposed to be woking on a major rodent extermination. I said I confirm more details tomorrow. But yes, I think I will need 2 rooms, although he'll probably offer my daughter a room in his own house Wink

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:11 am

harrya wrote:

I've found if you simply explain it's not possible to go to them they quickly change tac and the WU requests start flowing.

Not always. I had one lad who was strangely insistent on getting me to travel to see him. No matter what I offered to do to pay without actually meeting him, he wanted me there... I was all "So, I couldn't just send you a payment by some wire service... hint, hint?" and he still kept single-mindedly talking about me traveling and meeting me. It was very weird.

Then, maybe he was too dense to know the script was supposed to progress to "If you can't travel, you can just send me the money..."

Master Baiter Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 219

Your daughter has a really nice set of....uh....eyes. Yeah, that's it. Nice eyes. Smile

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:26 am

Damn, that was almost as good as my avatar.....

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:57 am

I really got the opinion that the "please come here and do this in person" is a ploy to test the vic's reaction.
A sounding board if you like.
I've had no dramas getting them to move to a wire tranfer. I've even had them say things like oh sorry maybe we can do a wire transfer.

If the Vic is accepable to travel it's likely they have liquid assetts.
If the Vic is unable it's more likley they don't have great funds and are proberly best too tread softly softly to extract money.

In either case they could be a baiter Smile

and that is good.
In either case it's good to be a baiter, however I find airport safaris are relativley short lived ( rinse wash etc ) Smile

. They soon get the point and dump you.
I know there has been some really great ones, sadly none of mine Sad

I'm all for trying though Smile