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CommanderKiller
419Eater is my life
Joined: 22 Aug 2004
Posts: 349
Location: Mugu-Occupied Caprica
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I'm pretty much along with what Betelgeuse said. If you can make a complete fool out of a lad (failed airport meet, wasted WU/MG trips) and this causes the lad's OGA to put a beating on him, so be it. I guess that's an occupational hazard for that type of "job".
I think the odds of getting a lad to put himself in a potentially life threatening situation for...say.... a $5000 WU payment though is extremely remote. If anything, in the case of the poisonous snake, if a lad was going to take a picture with one, it would either be dead or a rubber fake one. |
_________________ Charles Soludo (after WU trip #10): "....you may not understand what it is for my secretary to be going westernunion to westernunion just to present false informations to them."
Mr. Koffi after failed Airport meet - "The line and question is, why have you decided to play with me, you allowed me to waste my time, energy and money to put things(documnets) in your name , why?"
Mr. Obasanjo - "I have severally warned you to mind your language while addressing Prof. Soludo or any other person in that matter this is a serious business not some American movie Gangster. If you repeat it next time I will have your file thrown out of my office."
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Dr Venture
Master Baiter
Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 193
Location: Venture Technologies Compound
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Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:17 am |
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If I had proof, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the injured or deceased was a scammer, and had it within my power to do so, I would gladly send him to his doom and still be able to sleep at night.
Conversely, if I had sent an innocent third party into certain death, I doubt I could live with myself.
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I HOPE PEOPLE WILL NOT HEAR OUR VOICE WHEN THE TOTAL AMOUNT WILL BE TRANSFERED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BECAUSE YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS ME SOUNDS STRAINGE OF WHICH I DONT LIKE(Huh?).-- Samuel Onyema |
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Johan
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
Posts: 49
Location: Swedish but live in Singapore
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Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:48 am |
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If there is a limit...
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The Stuka
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
Posts: 43
Location: Enterprise Starship
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Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:11 am |
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I cannot support any physical punishment what so ever. Chopping off hands, capital punishment, whipping, branding - call it what you like - I am against it. I specifically do not think, there should be death penalty for scamming, which at the end of the day is far from the worst crime one can indulge in |
have you ever thought why the scamming community is growing so fast? maybe its because none, or very few of them, ever get punished! let alone get the death penalty or a good thrashing....
as far as i'm concearned, if scammers are called human beings its only because we all share the same biology, but ethicaly, they dont qualify as humans, so then why should human rights apply to them? i would't mind seeing them get the needle or a bullet.
the problem is colateral damage, innocent people that scammers use. they dont deserve it: that is the real obstacle macking sure you get the right guys |
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shrek
Account closed at users request
Joined: 21 Dec 2004
Posts: 817
Location: U Rope
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Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:27 am |
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Well, that is a little extreme, as sometimes people are forced into scamming, from what I understand. However, if a scammer makes a death threat or is otherwise attempting to be extremely intimidating, well, then, I should only respond in kind, shouldn't I? Out of common courtesy, if nothing else.
Death threats are not mandatory things that scammers have to do as part of a scam, so I take them very seriously because, quite often, I believe they really mean it. I've had scammers visit the places in London where my characters pretend to live, so I know they are serious. (It's OK - I don't use real residential addresses - just premises of warehouses and factories.) |
_________________ "I AM NOW A FOOL IN THE MONEY GRAMME OFFICE HERE AND THE MANAGER IS A CALLING ME A FOOL."
"you will die like a pig and your selfish family, my regrets is doing business with you fraud stars in uk"
"THE SPIRIT OF YASUKANI WILL HAUNT YOU TO DESTRUCTION.I AM ALREADY CELEBRATING YOUR DEATH NOW"
"watch out for the chiness mafia...you will be assasinated because no one steals our money and get away with it."
"i am ready to spend my money to make sure i get you dealt with"
"I DO NOT NEED THE HELP OF ANY POLICE MAN AS AM GOING TO PAY SOME TURKISH FRIEND TO ASSASINATE BOTH OF YOU"
"I promise you that you will never see the end of this year nor this Xmas and be happy..."
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NetSkyR
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 17 May 2005
Posts: 553
Location: The Hague
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Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:10 pm |
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CommanderKiller wrote: |
If anything, in the case of the poisonous snake, if a lad was going to take a picture with one, it would either be dead or a rubber fake one. |
Or a very foolish lad (or third party he "hired") with a live one...
As a bank tripper I have not yet had the pleasure of baiting somebody for a trophy or ( ) even in general. But, as a whole, scammers themselves are fair game. People they employ I consider to be in cohorts with the scammer, so if a guy poses with a live poisoned snake, regardless whether it is the scammer or not, I won't feel sorry if he's bitten. |
_________________ If you see no sense in life, look at the nonsense. You'll love it as much as tripping fake (bank) sites (speaking of which, x 13, x 2, x 5, x 1, x 1, x 2, x 1, x 1, x2 entries in the 419th level of the Hades of lads)
becoming more active after more then a year |
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sheboppe
The Sparkly Member
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 5002
Location: United States
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Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:13 pm |
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Since there is so much scamming going on in different countries, I am really surprised that places like Nigeria haven't used flogging as punishment like Singapore does. Everything that I have read on this type of punishment indicates that flogging and time spent in solitary confinement is harsh, but is also a pretty good crime deterrent. |
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scruffy
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 28 Sep 2005
Posts: 13
Location: Location: Location...
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Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:14 am |
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...so is chopping the extremities off (appropriately) |
_________________ Were is MY present? - Solomon Philip.
YOU THINK YU BIGMAN? YOULOW MONEY TO ME, YOU FOOL You have been reported. This lady have reported you to oracle.
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sheboppe
The Sparkly Member
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 5002
Location: United States
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Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:22 am |
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True, but that is mutilation, and there is always the chance that the wrong person could be convicted and lose an extremity over a cirme that he didn't commit. |
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HankReardan
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
Posts: 666
Location: Galt's Gulch
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Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:56 pm |
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I think there is a certain line in general that one ought not to cross even with criminals. But in the case of the scammers, they're doing it themselves! One can't kill someone with an email--if a scammer were to die "because" of a baiting, I don't think it would even be remotely the baiters fault. The scammer would have killed themselves in a misguided attempt to steal something. Its kind of like a burglar falling through a skylight and impaling himself on a kitchen knife left there for that purpose. If the burglar falls through the skylight, well, no one made him get up there in the first place. Bye bye, burglar! |
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Daneel_Oliwav
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 15 Feb 2005
Posts: 732
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Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:13 pm |
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I find that a bit flawed. When you're baiting you would actually have to talk a scammer into harming himself, as if you had talked the burglar into falling through the skylight. If a baiter talks a scammer into for example holding a poisonous snake and hoping he will be dumb enough to harm himself, and he actually does harm himself, the baiter is of course responsible for that.
Whether that is a bad thing or not is up to you to decide |
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Haywood D'Jableauxmi
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 06 Nov 2005
Posts: 577
Location: U.S. Left Coast
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Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:16 pm |
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a man was negotiating for the use of a camel at Abdul's Desert Rent a Wreck and was trying to determine how far he could get with limited water.
"when the camel is at the waterhole wait until he has almost finished drinking, you will know this because he will slow down and start to lose interest. Just then you must sneak behind him with these two bricks I will provide at slight extra charge and you must slam them together with camel's testicles in between. The camel will gulp down water enoiugh for another two days"
"Oh my God that sounds painful"
"It can be... for $10 more I will show you how to keep your fingers from getting caught between the brinks."" |
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doe
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 22 Sep 2005
Posts: 46
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Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:20 am |
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Reading this again and looking at the trophy room, I am kind of worried. Getting scammers to tattoo/brand themselves may look harmless enough, but it goes beyond the scammer. I am sure, knowing Nigeria like I do; there is a chance of scammers getting infected with diseases like STDs - HIV/Aids. Now this in the long term will be transmitted to innocent parties. This is not something I am comfortable with. Plus there could be legal implications.
Personally, I won't do it. Not if there is the like hood of third party getting infected with HIV. |
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kleindoofy
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Joined: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6248
Location: Europe
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Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:25 am |
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@Doe:
In the last few weeks, this has been discussed in great length. Please use the search function to view the other threads.
Enough opinions, including the one you have stated, have been offered. Perhaps we can put this discussion to rest for a few months. |
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Nelsonsbattle
419Eater is my life
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 433
Location: New Zealand
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Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:09 am |
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Personally, if I was one-hundred percent sure it was a lad who had been scamming for some time and I had my pick of trophies, I would demand a photo of him blindfolded and riding a unicycle the wrong way down a four lane highway in the middle of rush hour. |
This e-mail may come as a surprise to you. I am the lawyer for the late Fred Flintstone who was killed while riding a unicycle blindfolded the wrong way down the Subgama highway in the middle of rush hour .... |
_________________ �This is quite unfortanate you have basterdise every thing we have been working for a long time.
�the photo you send to me ..... i am have six with you in dreem here� Lad after he got a topless photo of my baiting character.
"I have just came out from the bank with the most humiliation of my life." Dissapointed Lad after a trip to the MG agency.
"tell you die, fuck you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ooooooo" Samull the scammer on being burned
(Samull's trip from Cotonou, Benin, to Lagos, Nigeria, to meet the lovely Steffy)
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Dionysius
Elite Baiter
Joined: 24 Mar 2004
Posts: 1639
Location: 61 Cockle St, Llareggub
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Mike Anderson
Wannabe Baiter
Joined: 15 May 2004
Posts: 91
Location: The Scambaiting Office
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Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:13 am |
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Is it ethical to trick a scmmer into hurting "himself" ... I wouldn't recommend it because the scammers may probably pay really poor people to do those silly or dangerous stunts. We often think that the persons in the trophies are the "scammers", but I really think they are only the people that have been paid/bribed to do this. But in some cases it may also be the scammer or his accomplices doing it themselves. When getting trophies, I'd say that we shouldn't go into the extreme part. Keep it simple and hilarious. |
_________________ "You can not advise me (a lawyer) to go the cyber-cafe, take a picture in and out simply because I want to transact with you. " - Williams Kojo |
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BassBonerBaiter
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 31 Mar 2005
Posts: 1
Location: Chicago, IL, USA
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:38 pm |
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@Eight,
This brings to mind another variant of scambaiting I've stumbled across on the internet recently - the infamous <A HREF="http://www.baitcar.com">Vancouver BaitCar</A>. Nothing like watching the instant transformation from excited thief to repentant arrestee on video.
These sort of people likely feel no true remorse; they are without conscience or feeling. In short, they are sociopaths. That said, it is very likely that not one of these people would think twice about subjecting someone else to the harm you may feel entirely justified inflicting upon them.
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I would much rather get the lad severely beaten by his OGA. This way I am sure the one getting punished is the lad I am after. |
I'm uber-new here; can someone point me to a list of definitions for terms like "oga"? I assume it means his mob boss, but hey, I'd like to know what I'm referring to instead of talking out of my ass. |
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Letch
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Posts: 5
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Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:59 pm |
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chrisd234 wrote: |
I have yet to convince a scammer to put a hot iron to his face but there is hope. |
Just phone him while he's ironing. |
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Sudsman
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 28 May 2004
Posts: 764
Location: Wisconsin: land of beer and badgers
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Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:18 pm |
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@BBB: "Oga" means "chairman." Sort of a mob boss, yes...but not like the Godfather or anything. Some only act big. |
_________________ "Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter." - Ernest Hemingway
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Hamm On Wry
419Eater is my life
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Posts: 444
Location: Between the pickle and the potato salad
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Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:32 pm |
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If the lad is alive, then you have not crossed the line.
If the lad is not alive, but you were not looking him in the eye while squeezing the trigger on the gun, you have not crossed the line. If you MAY have caused the lad's demise because you got someone so mad at him and the other person pulled the trigger, you have not crossed the line. |
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Fake church kill
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i never believe that you can matreat me this way--- Veronica Wachira, Senegal
komodada(at)uku.co.uk : INFACT YOU ARE A TOTAL *DELETED* TIMES TEN MAY GOD RENDER U USELESS. EWU YOUAND I WHO BETTER PASS.ASSHOLE.DONT WORRY ME AGAIN IN YOUR LIFE. PLEASE LET ME BE .
Screwing with others siggy lines is NOT a nice thing to do! In character, yes, nice...no! |
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eheh
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 4
Location: Castle Anthrax, Mercia
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Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:36 pm |
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Finally decided to actually join the site. Story.
It would probably take a lot less than $5000 for a lad to do something desparate to get his hands on the cash, and I reckon there is no doubt that a lad has had a beating as a result of being slapped but theres a fair chance theyve seen the pidgeon version of "Casino" or "Goodfellas" so fair game.
Also on Cash baiting-when did mods here decide to effectively condemn this-what I mean is that one day I was reading Shivers cash baits on the letters page and the next they were gone-i guess this was around3-4 months ago or something... |
_________________ Let me go back in there and face the peril. |
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Shiver Metimbers
419Eater Admin
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Posts: 7469
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Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:38 pm |
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The cash baits are still on the letters page. They have never moved. However there is now a warning at the end of each of them, and of course requests for info on cash baiting is now a big no-no here. |
_________________ Roland Koffi: "Please my name is not Ahoy Matey. thakyou..."
Wilson Madu: "I will condom you to a painful death..."
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kleindoofy
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Joined: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6248
Location: Europe
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Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:44 pm |
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The decision against cash-baiting was made shortly after Shiver published those baits. Upon reflection, it became the common concensus that, while one or two baits by Shiver might be viewed as funny, multiple attempts my multiple users would actually be seen as illegal activity, something with which this site cannot identify itself. |
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eheh
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 4
Location: Castle Anthrax, Mercia
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Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:47 pm |
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Since its your party n all I'll take your word for it They were deffo advertised as cash baits in red i.e got $80 out of so and so...that text was removed at some stage though, i just never re -read them since i guess.
So has this always been the case with cash baits or why was this decided apart from the obvious reason that its still stealing albeit from a no good scummer... |
_________________ Let me go back in there and face the peril. |
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