Lads getting smart

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Hello I'm New here! Joined: 14 Jul 2011 Posts: 9

Dear All,

Newbie here.

I'm in the process of a couple baits (using very stringent safety and security precautions) and I have begun to suspect that by now the average Lad is wise to requests for photos or other demands relating to western Africa?

For example my baits are posing as Hong Kong businessman and an Egyptian respectively. Could this be to avoid or sidestep photos or other potentially humiliating 'trophies'?

cheers

Baiting Guru Joined: 10 Oct 2003 Posts: 4747

It might not be the photos,

The mugus et al, know that they have trashed the image of West African nations, so to avoid this tarnished image are claim to come from somewhere else.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 14 Jul 2011 Posts: 9

buried under 419 emails wrote:

It might not be the photos,

The mugus et al, know that they have trashed the image of West African nations, so to avoid this tarnished image are claim to come from somewhere else.

So I take it these days it is rare to have a lad actually admiting to be from west Africa at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:15 am

Most of my lads are from West-Africa, and don't try to obfuscate that.

They do 'branch out' and find accomplices abroad I think. This morning I was able to send Alan the details of a Chinese bank account. Mails sent from chinese IP address, but they wanted me to send money through WU to Nigeria...

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:22 am

It is also common that West African lads pose as British persons, bankers or diplomats. The hide this by using redirect numbers in the UK as numbers. These let them receive calls that you think are to the UK. These start with +4470 where the 70 is the redirect part. It is expensive as hell for a caller to call those.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 14 Jul 2011 Posts: 9

So my lad wants me to Western Union, but to an address in Canada. Can I assume there is actually somebody in Canada or could the funds theoretically be picked up in Africa?

(I'm preparing a fake WU receipt either way)

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:50 pm

I think that means there would be actually in Canada picking that up (not necessarily the sender of the emails though)

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:53 pm

Could be either.In theory you should only be able to pick the money up where it was sent,but lads find ways to pick it up elsewhere.Lads also can be located almost anywhere in the world,and there are well organized groups working out of Canada.

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:17 pm

Bear in mind that "mules" work in countries other than west africa. They can receive bank transfers or cheques, then forward the money by WU to Africa. They are recruited in "work at home" schemes and can end up in deep shit when the cheques are recalled and they end up before the beak for fraud themselves. Thus, lads can simnply recycle their mule's location as their own.

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:42 pm

The money is most likely being picked up in Canada, though as Doc said, some still seem to be able to work around the location issue.

BUT--do not assume the person who picks up the money in Canada is a scammer too. While some scammers use knowing accomplices to pick up money in other countries, as Nailgunner said, many mules are unknowing victims themselves.

Scammers recruit innocent mules through 2 main channels: fake jobs and romance.

In a fake job scam, the victim responds to an ad for an accounts receivable position, local company representative, or even personal assistant. The title may change, but the responsibility is the same: collect payments, either from WU or directly received into a bank account, and either forward the cash to the "employer" or use the money to purchase specific items and send those items to the "employer." Unfortunately, we still see victims who fall for job scams every day.

In the romance scam variant, the scammer uses a hooked romance victim, who thinks she is doing a legitimate favor for her "love," who conveniently is an international businessman or soldier stationed abroad.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 14 Jul 2011 Posts: 9

Ahh ok interesting. Thanks for insight!

I have sent a message saying that Western Union deposit has been made but offered no proof of this to further waste time as then then request it. Once I send a fake form, it will be unreadable. More time wasted, I will then send a legible form which of course is a fake. Hope it goes some way to distracting them from ripping off a real victim.

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:18 pm

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Once I send a fake form, it will be unreadable.

Surely you threw away the piece of paper that the guy in the WU office gave you?? Maybe you can get a copy? Or you can retrieve it from the trash can some time next week?

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:12 pm

I'm currently baiting someone claiming to be a Liberian refugee in Ghana. The IP address is in Ghana. My previous bait, though, involved someone claiming to be a lawyer in England (hence the flag).

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 14 Jul 2011 Posts: 9

music man wrote:

Quote:

Once I send a fake form, it will be unreadable.

Surely you threw away the piece of paper that the guy in the WU office gave you?? Maybe you can get a copy? Or you can retrieve it from the trash can some time next week?

I'm afraid tragically there has been a fire in my office as I got drunk on brandy while smoking. It's ok though, as I am expecting a substantial insurance payout.