Should teenagers bait?

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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:12 am

If teens want, they can get much worse stuff online that exposed lads.
I agree with TheDane, that few naked lads wont cause any harm...

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:42 am

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is it legal for a minor to be exposed to adult material

Our policy has always been that adult material is not directly shown and is clearly marked as adult.

Over the years, I have been exposed to more porn through innocent use of google (i.e. not including searches for models used in scams) than I have on Eater.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:16 pm

^^^^^
If there is a policy in place that's fine, I think that's more what my question was, I just don't want Chris Hansen asking me to sit down because of something I posted on here.

I think in conjunction with a parent's consent and understanding of what you're doing, I don't see much harm.

However I'd disagree with the whole argument of "well there are worse things easily available online", what if an underage person has not actually seen worse things, and goes in without the knowledge that a giant penis may greet them at some point? I think a young person should still be advised on what they may or may not experience while baiting.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:25 pm

A quick look around the site should tell anyone what they can expect if they're thinking of taking up scam-baiting.
The same goes for just about any other website on the internet - if you're going to take up a hobby or an interest, it's up to you to make sure that you're informed of what it entails. In the case of a minor, it's up to their parents or guardians.

Our responsibility is to our members. We are not the internet police and our job is not to be a moral compass for anyone - regardless of age. Our material can be of an adult nature and when it is, it's marked NSFW. People here aren't greeted by a "giant penis" (unless you count Pastor Frank saying hello in the Welcome Thread). Although there is nudity on the site, it is always preceeded by a warning. Just about the only way you can stumble in unannounced on a photo of a lad with his junk hanging out is by way of Google. And in that case, it will almost certainly be because you were looking for adult material. If you've done that, I'll wager that the sort of text you've used in your search will have bought up far more explicit photos than anything you can see here and that you're actually going to be dissapointed at seeing nothing more than a naked lad up a tree with a loaf of bread on his head.

Fact is this: if my children look at something that I think is unappropriate on the internet, it is my failure to keep them inline. It's not the website's duty to raise my kids and tell them what is and what isn't acceptable.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:51 pm

Sorry I didn't mean to lay the burden of good parenting on the site's shoulders.

However firstly NSFW means not safe for work, it inherently means that something may contain material that would rationally be against office policy, it is not exclusively for adult themes, and does not mean not safe for minors.

Secondly although their effectiveness may be debatable, even gaming websites make use of birth date declarations for content deemed to be adult in nature, as there is no age restriction on membership, if there was a complete disregard in general for what people may or may not see, I'm not sure why everyone would try cover their backsides.

Thirdly, no one was asking for any moral direction, I was asking what the site's policy was in regards to minors being exposed to nudity, as a site is always responsible for its content, so you may not be the internet police but as you stated you are this site's police,again otherwise there would not be contracts in the form of age declarations or warnings on adult orientated sites.

The fact is: As other's have stated, more 'nasty' things are more readily available, failing a parent's knowledge of what is available it is a provider's responsibility to bottle neck it as rationally possible.
I mean you have policies against the discussion of hacking or other illegal electronic actions, which you delete or lock, that covers the site and steers the members away from the subject, but in regards to this, the simple answer is 'parents are dumb it's not our responsibility'?

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:09 pm

Seems to me like you're just looking for an argument. Maybe I'm reading you wrong in which case I apologise. I must add that I do hope that I am reading you wrong.

But firstly, there is no pornography on this website or anything that can be deemed overtly offensive to anyone but the most prudish in any society. In that case, I would not expect that sort of person to be on the internet in the first place, let alone ending up here either purposefully or by accident.
The naked photos that we have here are no different from those found on National Geographic (other than the lad may be covered in milk and have a fish in his mouth).

Secondly, we do have an age declaration field when people sign up to the site. As this is the internet, it works on the "honour system". Unfortunately this is the only techonology open to us at the moment.

Thirdly, sometimes the simplest answer is the best. You may not always like it, but you may just have to swallow it.

In the meantime, if you would like to direct me to anything you believe openly offensive, please feel free to do so that I may deal with it.
You may PM me the links so that we don't run the risk of offending anyone by posting them here.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:11 pm

When a parent grants Internet access to their child, it s the parents responsibility to monitor the child's activity and make sure the child isn't visiting site the parent doesn't approve of. The parent doesn't have to be tech savvy to do this. They can easily talk to their child. Also, believe it or not, teenagers can be held accountable for their own actions.

@Boris_YELLsome - no one is saying " the parents are dumb so it's not our responsibility". We are just saying what we said which I thought was quite clear. The discussion of phishing and hacking is locked because it is illegal. Teenagers baiting is not. Since it's the responsibility of the parent to monitor their child's Internet activity then one can assume the teen is here with his or her parents approval.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:24 pm

Honestly, there are streams of sites I could troll or flame if I needed to just argue.

I don't find anything on this site offensive. The thread was started with the intent of what we thought of teenagers baiting, I simply stated my worry was of underage people being exposed to adult material, specifically pornography. After everyone said their piece on what other evils are out there online, I disagreed and asked what the site's policy was.

These trophies would certainly be considered pornography:

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=200721

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=203791&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=50

*edit Ok, I re-read what I typed, and it may seem as though I am attacking the site/members, if that's what you read, I am sorry. Perhaps I should rather re-word it.
In the event that a baiter is a teenager there is a possibility that they may be under the legal age of what is required to view content as the above (whether they can download scat freely or not is irrelevant as we are talking within this site), so perhaps we should have a policy of an actual age warning when someone posts links to trophies such as the above, and a non-embedding rule for those kinds of things.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:03 pm

The photos are not posted on Eater and both examples you give are clearly marked.

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Mod edit - made NSFW warning more prominent, XX'd out name - those with kids probably don't want to explain that this thread is not about kittens. TS

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MOST DEFINITELY NSFW!!!! DO NOT CLICK IF NUDITY WILL RUIN YOUR DAY!!!

Though personally not to my taste, the warnings are very prominent and the content is not hosted on this website.

Any more examples?
As I said: you can PM them to me. If you find anything that would be deemed offensive to a minor, then posting them here kind of shoots your argument in the foot.

BTW. I accidentally edited out the links in the first example. This was not my intention. But as I said, they're not to my taste, so I won't be pressing my back button a dozen times trying to find the page where I edited them so I can reinstate them. Please don't read anything other than my inept use of the edit button and my terminal laziness into it.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:17 pm

I throw in the towel, you obviously have an abundance of sarcasm to throw at me, please forget I had an opinion.

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I think in conjunction with a parent's consent and understanding of what you're doing, I don't see much harm.

There that's my final stance (as I previously said), and I'm sorry I disagreed with anyone.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:19 pm

Sarcasm?

No. I wasn't being sarcastic.
If you repost the offending posts, you are proliferating them and therefore making them more easily accessible.

It's not sarcasm. It's common sense.

Like I said: you can PM them to me.

Baiting Guru Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 18313

All of this is actually covered in the stickies. Wink

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176248

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Some bad language is acceptable (to a point) but please try to keep it to a minimum. It's not big and it's not clever!

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If you post something or link to something that is not safe for viewing at work (or near children, etc.), please indicate so in your thread title or above your link.

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Hardcore Pornographic images are ABSOLUTELY not allowed. The odd breast or full frontal picture IF NECESSARY to the post is fine, but images of a very sexual nature will be removed immediately when found. Hardcore pornography is illegal in the UK (where this site is located) so please do not give someone an excuse to have this Board shut down.

Other shocking material, such as pictures of mutilation, death or other offensive non-sexual images are completely forbidden. Again, if your posts features anything way over the top, it will be deleted. There are other forums for that kind of thing - feel free to visit if you must (please wash before returning, however).

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=134461

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Topics that are not allowed to be posted in General Chat are:

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Inappropriate sexual topics. If you wouldn't discuss it with your grandmother or your boss, you can't discuss it here.

Hardcore pornography or links to porn sites

The original discussion was whether or not teenagers should bait, not whether or not Eater is appropriate for teenagers. Certainly, nothing here is illegal in that regard and has been said repeatedly, whether or not young teens should participate at Eater or baiting is up to the parent monitoring their child.

Baiting Guru Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 2163

What if i bait or post while not wearing any trousers? Am I in trouble? Please note this post was made while wearing trousers

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:35 pm

^^ You are only 12 so shouldn't be posting here anyway.

Now run along...

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:48 pm

My 2 cents worth.

I am rather ambiguous about the topic as some young teens are more mature than others. From what I understand the teens that are on Eater are probably more mature than other teens.

As for nudity and porn type pictures on Eater, I think identifying them prior to one viewing them is sufficient.

One can receive "accidental" porn pics in any email they open nowadays and there is no control over it.

Would I let my teen bait? Every teen is different and every parent should know their child's strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately many parents nowadays have no clue what their children are up to, i.e. the current rampage of "wolf packs" and "mobbing" in retail stores. It sounds like the parents of younger people who are on Eater are aware of what they are doing as opposed to parents whose very young children are on social websites and the parents have no clue.

I have no teens at home, as they are all adults now, but I knew what they were reading and what activities they were involved in. I let them read whatever they wanted; HOWEVER, I was aware of the content and if I wasn't I familiarized myself with it.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:16 pm

See what happens when you start a debate around here Olly?Wait till someone gets a good ethics of baiting thread going Laughing

My take-as long as they are baiting safe,and their parents are fine with it,then I see no problem with a teen baiting.It really has more to do with the maturity of the individual,rather than their age.There are a couple guys where I work that I think would be good baiters,but I can't get them around wanting to be racist and burning them.They are in their twenties.
I think by the time they are in their teens,most have been exposed to far worse than they will see here.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:26 pm

Ima beat me to the punch I was going to post what she did as it clearly "warns" any teenagers or any other member for that matter on the forum of potential nudity or foul language they may elect to view. The simple fact that you have to click on the links negates teenagers being "exposed" to nudity. The individual has to choose to view the said material and expose themselves to it.

I have visited several other baiting sites and Eater is by far the most PG-13 of the sites.

Btw the OP has a really good Mentor Laughing

Baiting Guru Joined: 10 Oct 2003 Posts: 4747

The biggest thing is security, but also your parents should approve and be aware of what you’re doing. That is if they are responsible for you. Years ago I had a mugu sent me a virus, not a phishing one, one that just completely screwed up every file on my computer. I think I really pissed him off. The end result was I had to reformat my drive, but I lost no files, since I had a backup copy of everything. I can only imagine if this happened to a family computer. People make mistakes, and considering who we are dealing with a virus is getting off light.

Another point is can be, can we effectively bar teenagers from this forum, no not if a teen really wants to join and lies about their age. Also I feel this forum provides important information for all baiters.

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:11 pm

Morgain Le Fay wrote:

Unfortunately many parents nowadays have no clue what their children are up to

I beg to differ... about the nowadays part. Children, teenagers especially, hiding their activities from their parents have been going on for thousands of years.

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but I knew what they were reading and what activities they were involved in

If only we could hear from one of your kids. I'm willing to bet you knew maybe 25% of what they were doing. Even if you would approve of 100% of what they were doing, they would still keep 75% from you Laughing

I'm teasing of course. I'm sure you were a good parent. It's just that when I was 15 I told my mom I had been sexually active for almost a year and that week I took my girlfriend to the free clinic so she could get on the pill. Pretty big confession right? Okay so why did I leave out the fact that we ditched school to go to the clinic?

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:25 pm

It's simple, have the site marked as inappropriate for kids and those parents that have set the controls right don't have to worry, those who didn't set them, apparently don't care.
They are the first responsible person for the kid and if your site is marked properly they can't slide that over to this website.

Baiting Guru Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 12237

Klaasvaak wrote:

What if i bait or post while not wearing any trousers?

PM me, I'll forward the pictures to you know who.

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:25 pm

I'm not going to say much else apart from if you tell your kids not to smoke, they will!

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:50 pm

All I'm gonna say is my dad knew each and every thing I did. My nosy neighbors turned me in Sad

But seriously--35 years ago things were a lot different. My biggest crimes? Smoking or ringing doorbells and running.

I stopped posting in this thread because I learned a lot from what folks said and I can see what is being said, and how my thoughts may have been wrong.

My only concern at the time when I first posted was legality issues for Eater. My only concern is lawsuits against Eater if someone underage were to be careless and something bad happened. That was my main concern.

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:13 pm

dwatina...you can't please everyone all the time, that's why we have a legal dept. Right Rover? Let the Mods do their jobs, they are competent, as long as they do their job. Shouldn't any problems. For the problems there's the legals. The system has kept things going for a few years, no reason to worry, I think.

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:17 pm

^^Oh, I know. And I know they have a legal department. I was just saying that my first concern was legality when I originally posted. Mods have said there is no problem and my concerns were addressed. If they say it's okay, it's okay. My concerns were addressed.

And I appreciate the discussion in this thread and am glad my concerns are nothing to worry about it. My first thought was legal issues for Eater and that was addressed.