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Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:05 pm

I was reading the Eater University, and I got to thinking about what a "newbie" baiter should try to do in his first six months or so of baiting - - a checklist of ideas dawned upon me.

For example, if i was counseling a new baiter, I would recommend that he do the following at least once each:

(a) Bait as an individual with a critically ill husband, wife or child. Tell the mugu that the money you are about to send him for "clearance fees" is money your child needs for life-saving surgery. See what sort of reaction you get.

(b) Bait as a 12 year old. Again, show the newbie that a mugu is a low-life who will even cheat a child.

(c) Two words- Dollar Chop!!

(d) WIMP. I may be prejudiced (in fact, I think I am prejudiced), but I think WIMP is a good introductory safari for a new baiter.

(e) Get forms filled out - homeland security, etc.

(f) Use multiple characters in a single bait. The newbie needs to learn how to use conflicts between his own characters to cause confusion and delay!

(g) Die. Everybody needs to have a dearly beloved baiting character pass on once in a while....and to understand the possibilities that will follow.

(h) Order pizza. You newbies do not understand what this means - but your mentor can explain it.

Any other ideas or suggestions?

Bruin

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:56 pm

(i) Security Shield. An excellent modality to use when you want your lad to waste time or when you use it to close of the WU option and move on to bank account or MG.

(j) De-educate your lad. Take a bad script in your catcher account and try to make the lad rewrite it so that it sucks even more. "No it is not called probate but prostate".

(k) Co-bait. There is a saying which goes "the more the merrier", and when baiting this is true. It is fun to have someone to discuss devious ideas with and to use for inspiration.

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 10:03 pm

(L) don't just bait one type of lad, bait a wide variety of different types and find those that you enjoy

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 10:47 pm

(M) attempt a straight-bait without giving up a single phone number or ID document. This will help practice making excuses and keeping the baiter in control, whilst continually keeping the lad guessing

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 10:50 pm

This is an excellent thread...hope my mentees are viewing...

Master of Master Baiters Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 586

Great thread Bruin! I will follow some of this advice!

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 11:23 pm

(1) Get in to the habit of checking their email headers. Lads often claim to be in a different location to where they actually are, and it can be fun saying you are going to holiday in Ghana when they say they are from Malaysia. You'll be amazed how quickly they can get there or have a trusted friend living there.

(2) Make your own format for replying to the first half dozen or so lad mails. Saves a lot of effort and gives you a chance to set the agenda. Introducing an illness or phobia for example which can set the tone of the bait.

(3) For passport or photo ID requests I tell them that I have just sent my docs away for ten year renewal. They try but can't really argue with that. Or take a hammer to your scanner. Wink

(4) Tell any barr you are sent to that you think the sick/dying/orphan/solider original lad is a liar. They are bound to pass on your thoughts to them. Then sack them for not keeping your correspondence confidential.

(5) keep a note of any inconsistencies in their format or slip ups in their emails for later use.

*Edit to add*

(6) Check out forums like: http://www.nairaland.com/ from time to time. Gives an insight to the thinking and you'll pick up some local knowledge you might be able to throw into a bait.

(7) Learn a little html. A website adds lots of credibility to your character. It doesn't need to be complicated or more than a few pages because lads don't read past the first few paragraphs or $ signs. Offer lots of money though.

*And finally*

[8] Remind all lads based in Nigeria that they MUST supply you with bank account details and photo ID because of THIS stipulation on the westy site for all transfers to them.

*Edited. It was late when I posted*

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 12:14 am

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(2) Make your own format for replying to the first half dozen or so lad mails.

Give your answer to his email of today as a reply to an older email, he'll have to find back where he is in his story line. Or remove all subject text with the same result.

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 7:28 am

bigdaddy wrote:

Great thread Bruin! I will follow some of this advice!

Yes, definitely, the ideas are brilliant.
But I'm afraid it might become yet another sticky the occasional newb raring to start will overlook.

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:06 am

Thanks, Bruin and all others. This is a useful thread to anyone. For now, I'd like to add only one small but significant thing:

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For example, if i was counseling a new baiter, I would recommend that he OR SHE do the following at least once each: [--]

Not quite a Newb Joined: 30 Apr 2011 Posts: 21

Badgerbait wrote:

This is an excellent thread...hope my mentees are viewing...

Indeed I am Smile

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 5:47 pm

Sorry N.O.R.A. - - you understand that some non-western languages are much more sensitive to this issue, even having pronouns which inherently express the concept of "he or she".

Bruin

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 7:36 pm

(N) Learn to be in control, don't sit and stare at your inbox, let them do that, if you reply in an untimely fashion they won't run away.

(O) Do the weekend drop, arrange to pay on a Friday, then don't say a word to them until Monday, give them some unfortunate news, build them again for a Friday pay day, leave them hanging, they'll imagine all the wonderful things they will do with the Money on the weekend, and then be very very sad,rinse and repeat.

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:23 pm

(P) All baits are different. What works for one bait won't necessarily work for another. Be willing to experiment and be sure to learn from any mistakes you make.
(Q) Be ready for the unexpected, especially if your bait involves phone calls. I've had a few occasions where a lad will suddenly ask me a question about my character (i.e., he forgot my mother's name, or how old I was). I learned to keep small bios of my characters for each lad that I can open at the click of a mouse.
(R) If calls are involved and you have several lads: Type up a list up of your characters, their lads, and their phone numbers. Nothing worse than having a lad call you and you don't recognize the number...
(S) Don't feel guilty if your lad has a nervous breakdown

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:24 pm

^^It's alright, Bruin. Very Happy

As a matter of fact, trying a gender change might be a good idea for a newbie. For example, my Mentor is enjoying his new life as young and sexy women called Pat and Busty. I have found very liberating to be a disgusting, old man in some of my baits. If your character is too similar to your RL person, it may limit your creative thinking.

(By the way, I don't mean to say that my Mentor is not young and sexy. But he is a man. Laughing

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dwatina wrote:

Don't feel guilty if your lad has a nervous breakdown

Dear Newbie, remember, the lads ALWAYS lie.

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:56 pm

Learn the value of SLOW! By slowing down to a maximum of one email per scammer per day, you can farm several scammers until one blossoms into a fun one!

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 10:42 pm

(T) Dangle lots of cash. Write it out like this $10,000.00 USD. (I learned this from the Shiver.)

I educate my lads about the stock market and use this tool.

http://finance.yahoo.com/gainers?e=us

This link will show the highest flyer for the previous day. I don't show them the list, only a link to the stock. I tell my lad that I cashed his check and invested it in that particular stock the day before increasing the value 53% or 153% depending on the stock. The next day I take my inheritance and turn $39,345.00 into $73,456.34 in two days. They should be hooked pretty well by the time I teach them about shorting stocks. Laughing

Master Baiter Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 128

wonderful list! Thanks-

I am a Newbie myself and like to add something...

U) never ever take anything personal

V) If the chat is going on your nerves, dont use it - email is enough

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 11:20 pm

@Connnie--I read (T) here, and I ALWAYS put that in in my transfer or payment. I always add "USD." It's like an lad sees that and the skies open and they see money floating down... Wink

Not quite a Newb Joined: 30 Apr 2011 Posts: 21

Orange Rose3 wrote:

wonderful list! Thanks-

I am a Newbie myself and like to add something...

U) never ever take anything personal

V) If the chat is going on your nerves, dont use it - email is enough

As a Newbie I totaly resontae with "u".

A new baiter is up against a seasoned and mostly experienced scammer.
Its about "understanding your own feelings" and how you are affected by them. It is so important to be detached.

In a simmilar vein..I have made a totaly seperate login and removed my "normal" mail so I am always "forced" to use a gmail login. I have enabled "delete" to all browser history and the cache is cleared. It may be a pain always to log in.....But at this early stage when I WILL make mistakes...it acts as a safety net.

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 1:48 am

Good list. I would add:

- If there is work to do (e.g., calculating currency exchange rates), the lad always does it.

- If something goes wrong, it's always the lad's fault (or his computer's).

- The lad will always strive to move the scam along as quickly as possible. Answer his emails on your own terms. If he makes an issue of you not giving him an immediate response to an email, answer with, "I finally found your email in my spam folder. Why do suppose it ended up there?"

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:18 am

Well worth posting a link to info about WIMP, ie, what the acronym stands for, and what it is.

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 3:33 am

Monsignor - It stands for "Western Union Inside-Man Protocol".

Here is a link:

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=160602

Trophy Videos · Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:19 am

dwatina wrote:

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Don't feel guilty if your lad has a nervous breakdown

I'd like to say also, don't feel guilty if you have a nervous breakdown! Laughing

Lads do get on your nerves at what they say and do, so take a break from it if you need to, and come back later. Just follow Corona's cake crumbs back to this websitewhen you are ready. Whatever you do, do not forget to feed the cat! Wink

Another tip: If the lad creates a character, be it shyster barrister, banker, security man, then you match him character for character and maybe more.
Your lawyer can fight with his lawyer and make the lad fill your forms, not his. Your banker could have other forms, applications, rules, etc. This way, you can create a good guy and a bad guy character. You, the victim can remain on the lad's side, but things must be done the bad guy's way. Or you can talk behind the lad's back with one character, and create a stage to fire his characters, or insult them, or whatever takes control away from them and gives it to you. The more characters you have, the more options you have to take the bait. Introduce them all one by one but very slowly, hinting that they exist, naming them, then having them directly involved.

Change the pace and control of the bait. If he demands daily emails, don't send them for days. If he is lazy responding, make him speed up. If he wants you phone number right away, make him wait. If he wants a call at noon his time, make it 3am if possible. Make him change his routine and way of dealing with you, to take him out of his element and to take the control away from him. This is a subtle way to take control, and they may not even see theirs disappearing, but they become more compliant over time.

Patience! This is a big key factor for successful baiting. Don't rush things.
You shouldn't ask the lad to do some significant task until you know you have the control of him to pull it off.

Be flexible in your bait. And do not be afraid to change and take advantage of a lad if he gives you an opening to go in a different direction. Try to create possible multiple future scenarios of your own ahead of time, and ask the lad to choose one of the options you give him.
But you are ready for any one of them, as you hopefully have something in mind waiting there for him. His choosing the path makes him think he has the control, but when things go wrong, you can then blame him for his screw ups. And possibly make him use "your idea instead." Or, one of the other scenarios you had waiting for him before.

Read about Africa, London, Malasia, wherever the lad happens to be. Learn the geography, languages they speak, history, current news. The more you know about the places or anything else where they live, or don't live that you want to send them to the better. Google is your friend here. Research is an important aspect of a a lot of baits.

Tell your mentor daily that he or she is a young, hot, sexy man or woman.
Hey, it couldn't hurt! And don't bait your mentor so well that you get them to have their brother get silly, and put a bag on their head. It's embarrassing! Embarassed

Don't be afraid to ask questions here, as we are all a bunch of helpful people. Smile

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:36 am

^^Slapster, I miss your old avatar. Srsly.

I would add this: Remember that scammers care nothing about anybody or anything but the almighty dolla. They find self respect in the pursuit of it, and believe it to be their right to get it. Does your mom need a new leg? The scammer will want to 'borrow' that money to ensure that your mom gets a better leg and he'll be in touch later. Have you buried a child? The scammer will want to send flowers, but you need to pay and he'll reimburse you when he comes for the funeral. Etc.

These bastards know no end of how to wrap innocent people around their hearts, minds and/or axles. They will go to every length they can think of. If you bait, prepare to be disgusted at all times. After you get used to it, prepare to be amused at the predictability of it all.