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Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 3123

Couldn't agree more with Juan/Mark Twain/Maynard-Hutchins.

I have very little comprehension for people who say they 'enjoy' exercise, although to seek health benefits is I suppose more understandable.

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The fact that I stopped eating meat forever a year and a half ago, amazingly, hasn't helped.

Just as I thought. I make a point of having steak at least 3 times a week. I couldn't do without juicy cows.

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I was a catcher (baseball save the jokes) when I was a kid and I think my knees are shot from it.

Yet further evidence that certain forms of exercise do way more damage than good. That gets added to my list of evidence, including rugby and football (soccer) injuries that many people I know have.

All you exercise folks will have the extra 2-3 years you'll be on this planet longer than me, but at least my only ailment will be the heart attack that kills me, not the various broken/inoperative limbs as a result of many sporting injuries over the years.

(FYI, I am not, and never have been obese. I have a BMI of 21 (ish), take as little exercise as I can and eat lots of red meat - yet I have not reached a stage whereby I think I need to lose weight.)

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:43 am

^^^^^
Obesity is not really the biggest issue, its your heart and lungs, as you get to the 50's this will show as a bigger problem. Even having 15 min a day of exercise is better than nothing, sports injuries arise from incorrect form or over doing it.

But the red meat thing is actually a big myth, I eat 3 kgs of red meat a week, red meat is bad when you over cook it,fry it and eat it in conjunction with donuts, chocolates, sweets etc etc and no vegetables. I also drink 1 L of milk a day, and 3-6 eggs a week, my cholesterol is 3.

The problem also with weight/no exercise, is that you may also carry a lot of fat around your organs and not outside of muscles, just because you have a low BMI doesn't mean you may not be a ticking time bomb...heart attacks are great and all, but strokes are not so much fun. Muscles also start to atrophy after just 24 hrs without use, so you may yet develop some wonderful limb and support issues as you get older.

Re-reading what I typed, I guess it sounds a little preachy, and I'm not meaning to be, I just think over emphasizing body weight as an indicator of health is a big risk, and that you don't have to be a lean mean robot to get benefit from some exercise, we after all are not amoebas.

Personally I'm sure I'll get murdered long before I enjoy those 2-3 extra years anyways, I do it because it pumps me full of oxygenated blood and endorphines, I feel better, think clearer and it's fun to have a goal to say lift x amount, just because I can.

Laughing

*edit I only spend 6-8hrs a week in the gym anyways, I'm not a super health nut or anything

Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 3123

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, I just think over emphasizing body weight as an indicator of health is a big risk

I do understand where you're coming from, I thought for the purposes of this discussion in context of the 'obesity crisis' and the like it would be apt to reference weight.

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that you may also carry a lot of fat around your organs and not outside of muscles, just because you have a low BMI doesn't mean you may not be a ticking time bomb...heart attacks are great and all, but strokes are not so much fun.

27 years, 253 days, 12 hours and 24 minutes until my first heart attack. Who knows where it will lead to?

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so you may yet develop some wonderful limb and support issues as you get older.

That's correct, but I balance that against the impact injuries I'm likely to get from running, or the torn ligaments or broken legs from other sporting activity. I did read your point about injuries arising when an activity is done incorrectly, but I'm not sure that's always the case.

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red meat is bad when you over cook it,

Not an issue, med-rare every time with the blood pooling underneath it. Very Happy

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I do it because it pumps me full of oxygenated blood and endorphines, I feel better, think clearer and it's fun to have a goal to say lift x amount, just because I can.

That's where our differences lie. I have no ambition or desire for such an effect (and if I did, I'd turn to drugs Laughing

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I only spend 6-8hrs a week in the gym anyways

That really is quite funny!

Anyway, all that has been established is we both can justify our positions, we both do/do not exercise for different reasons, and in my view the pros/cons balance out in the end. 6-8 hours a week of soul sucking torture vs 6-8 a week of idleness, to gain some years on a life which could end going under a bus tomorrow is just not worth it for me.

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:15 pm

^^^etc

Reading some of this stuff makes me feel dizzy nowadays.

I'm 51, 6'2" and weigh over 15 stone, drink alcohol, smoke occasionally, clamber up and down steep riverbanks with tons of fishing tackle, cycle a bit and probably walk 5 miles + a day. I don't do none of the exercise as part of any conscious fitness regime, it's just normal stuff.

Last time I went into a gym it was years ago to help investigate a 'sudden death'.

Just do what you enjoy but don't burn out and knacker your body in the process!

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:25 pm

juan wrote

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"I have never taken any exercise, except sleeping and resting, and I never intend to take any. Exercise is loathsome.

That just made my day! Thank you ever so much.

I used to live along one of the Great Lakes where people would run by the Lake. The runners never looked happy and that cemented my decision to not run. I would think exercise should be fun and they did not look like they were having any fun.

There once was a book published about if you were looking for exercise, grab your mate and head for the bedroom Wink

Baiting Guru Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 2163

I watched a football match once, felt really tired afterwards. Never again, demanded refund.

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:54 pm

^^^^^^^^^^
Exercise is only as fun as you make it, and sex is a very good for burning calories.

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I'm 51, 6'2" and weigh over 15 stone, drink alcohol, smoke occasionally, clamber up and down steep riverbanks with tons of fishing tackle, cycle a bit and probably walk 5 miles + a day.

5 miles is more than most people do, and if you do that ever day its will keep you at a fairly good fitness range.

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That really is quite funny!

It's really alot less than most people, some people that go to my gym hit it twice a day, 5 days or more a week. I'm far from a 'gym nut' or exercising enough to get an injury.

And I said impact injuries were also from over doing it, I run maintance on myself just like you would a car, I heat pack myself and ice pack myself whether I have injuries or not, stretch, and even visit the physio on a regular basis.

And you're correct it's a matter of taste etc but you ultimately need some kind of exercise, you don't need to lift 100's of kilos to be healthy, but you do need to do some exercise to be healthy.

Also I'm sorry if this got the angle of addressing obesity, my intent right from the start was just to talk about routines and stuff, world obesity is not on my agenda, people can do what they like with their bodies.

Baiting Guru Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Posts: 21158

I get more than enough exercise at work. I get paid for that! Why waste money to play with someone elses toys?

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:14 pm

On a related note, has anyone here tried the WII fit? What did you think?
I have not tried it yet, but am wondering if it is worth the money - to me that seems preferable to going to the gym.

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:15 pm

My wife is in a mountain biking club. Despite all being super fit, they are usually broken in one way or another.

Meantime I stay fine by watching sport on TV. Wink

ATM, she has a broken ankle from skiing, stumping around the house like a mad pirate. She did weeks of preparation, I did none, but skied all week. She lasted 2 hours.

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:18 pm

^^^ As long as you aren't rubbing it in her face, Roy. I am sure you would never do that, right? Razz

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:57 pm

Cougar wrote:

On a related note, has anyone here tried the WII fit? What did you think?
I have not tried it yet, but am wondering if it is worth the money - to me that seems preferable to going to the gym.

I haven't....but the xbox kinect is monsterous, I was finished.

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:47 pm

I'm looking for a personal trainer. If you are interested, please PM me.

next victim wrote:

I get more than enough exercise at work. I get paid for that! Why waste money to play with someone elses toys?

Or should I think about getting a job? If you know a nice one, please PM me.

Morgain wrote:

There once was a book published about if you were looking for exercise, grab your mate and head for the bedroom Wink

Anyone interested... please PM me. Very Happy

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:20 pm

Cougar wrote:

On a related note, has anyone here tried the WII fit? What did you think?
I have not tried it yet, but am wondering if it is worth the money - to me that seems preferable to going to the gym.

I have Daisy Fuentes Pilates for the wii but I just watch her so I don't know how much of a workout I get.

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:27 pm

Cougie, Wii fit with the right excerise program (not the provided as it is kinda not very exciting, I like the EA Active) is a good tool. It's activity. I have seen testimonials where it has panned out better than expected for some. Another piece of electronica to look into is a calorie tracker that not only counts intake but output as well to balance the two.

Remember, Rule#1: CARDIO... Laughing

Be prepared for zombie armageddon.

Shocked

What was that N.O.R.A.? a personal trainer? Very Happy

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:30 pm

Badgerbait wrote:

What was that N.O.R.A.? a personal trainer? Very Happy

A bit like my Mentor, you know. Unfortunately he can't take all roles in my life. Laughing

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:38 pm

^^^

Interesting Wink

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:39 pm

TM has the gist... Laughing

Baiting Guru Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Posts: 21158

Here's a view of the old school workout. They have changed a lot since then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGN0hMhPJ7w&feature=related

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:54 pm

Badgerbait wrote:

TM has the gist... Laughing

One PM already received... and it wasn't from TM. Cool

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:56 pm

Don't underestimate me Cool

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:12 pm

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I have Daisy Fuentes Pilates for the wii but I just watch her so I don't know how much of a workout I get.

Probably one arm is more muscular than the other!! Laughing

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:46 pm

Yes I can crack walnuts in one hand.

Seriously I do like the wii and just some of the activities like boxing on Resort will get your heart rate going.

Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 2628

I can crack walnuts with one hand

true its got a hammer in it but...

My son is really into cycling, he's dropped a couple of stones in weight since he took it up
He cycled to Linlithgow at the weekend ( about 25 miles) "just to see where the canal path goes"

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:56 am

Nanny Ogg wrote:

I can crack walnuts with one hand

true its got a hammer in it but...

Yes, we women have learnt to use not only power but also our brain. Besides, we can always ask men to help. Very Happy