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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:12 am

thanks snerd.

I have something to say. and it may or may not be deleted, I don't mind. but I mentioned it in another thread. and promptly ignored my own advice.

don't feed a troll!

ok, finished now. i'm ready for my beating.

PS Ima let me know where and when and I'll be there to do either of your scenario's, it's your choice Wink

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:46 am

Maintain steady at 180, 3/4 speed. No need for zig zag pattern, possible hostile contact is a non-threat.

Course corrected, sir!

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:22 am

I don't think we have a troll, just someone with disabilities, as mentioned in another thread he started, he uses text to speech, as a few other members do, all of whom btw, seem to have managed to cope with Eaters TOU and layout, and are recognised as accomplished baiters by eveyone.

What I'm not prepared to tolerate is people using the "poor me" excuse for not being able to navigate, find, or accept Eater protocol.

I refuse to believe Eater should dumb down so everyone that can't, won't or refuses to use the brain in their head and work at educating themselves can find stuff in here.

It is no different to Universities dropping entry level exams, and taking people in based on a quota, you just end up with a dumber graduate.

Sorry Ed, don't join then spend 2 days telling us how we should be organised to suit you. As much as I try to help new people in here, there comes a time when it becomes obvious that I am wasting my time answering your posts, questions, and gripes.

Eater works fine as it is, you want to find out about baiting, then you have to some research yourself, all of us are self taught from studying what other baiters have done, following links to the languages and tribal customs of the countries lads come from, learning in our own time about the customs, speech, and social interactions of lads. All of which we share willingly with anyone who asks for information.

What doesn't work in here, is people joining, asking for help, then complaining because they have to do some work themselves. If you can't navigate Eater, then you won't be able to successfully navigate or track where all the lads you are baiting are based.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:20 pm

Ok Ed the cooler head of my favorite Killer Cat has got me thinking my last comment may have been a bit harsh.
I hope you can understand how much of a slap in the face your comment about Eater members not being helpful. The fact that so many members go above and beyond to help newbies is what makes the community so great.
I went back and looked at your other threads and in every case several members promptly answered your questions. I'm sorry if the answers were not what you wanted to hear but never the less members were eager to help you.

I am in sales in real life. I deal with new sales reps on a regular basis. One of my biggest petpeves is when a new sakes rep comes up to me and ask me to tell him how to sale. It took me years of succes and failure to gain the knowledge I have. Then some new guy comes up and ask me to give him what took me years to gain. I do like to help people though. I give them two books "The little red book of selling" and "How to win friends and influence people" I tell them after they read those books theyvare free to ask me any questions they have.

Telling you to go away is however counterproductive to the greater good. I don't think I did but want to make sure you know everyone here is completely ready to help newbies. We do ask that you are willing to learn and not just be told how to bait.

With all that being said I am prepared to offer the olive branch and make you this offer. For the next week I will be your personnel tour guide of the forum. If you have a question you can PM me and I will show you how to find your answer on the forum. If you choose to take me up on this and decide you would like to join the great hobby of scam baiting I would only ask after the week you try and find your answers on your own.

I would also HIGHLEY recommend applying for a Mentor to answer your questions on a one on one basis after said week if you are serious about learning to bait.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:49 pm

@ bravo

Many members are very helpful
but there are also a bunch that are hostile.

Typical reaction. When you go into a company to consult and tell them how to improve, everybody pushes back and says they are doing fine thank you.

No matter. I get paid whether they take my advice or not. Management may push forward anyway. But the workers still prefer the status quo to becoming more effective.

Our grocery store has a sign:
People who complain are our best friends,
else we would not know how to become better.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:09 pm

I understand your point however this is not a grocery store or any other buisness to serve the public. This is a forum to discuss and learn about scam baiting and the best out there from the other sites I have seen.

There is a category called "Technical related questions problems and request" if you have suggestions you may want to post there. However let's add another analogy to your request.

So a guy goes into your store and tells you he can't find tomatoes. He complains that your store is not organized well because everything should be in alphabetical order. The tomatoes should be right next to the tortillas. Would you tell the customer your right we will reorganize the whole store?

Look I'm offering you help if you are truely not comprehending how to navigate the forum and your interested in learning how to bait. I agree at first glance it does seem overwhelming. If you will make the effort you too will learn it as 1000s have before you.

Ball is in your court my friend.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:12 pm

edskar j hoover wrote:

When you go into a company to consult and tell them how to improve, everybody pushes back and says they are doing fine thank you.

What about if someone were to go to a company and tell them to improve upon something that either can't be improved or doesn't need improving?
And then keep insisting that the company is wrong, even though they know nothing about who they are or what they do because they're too lazy to check for their self?

Wouldn't that person just be an idiot and a bore?

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:27 pm

^^

I think I'm out off this thread Shocked

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:30 pm

Quote:

But the workers still prefer the status quo to becoming more effective.

A saying comes to mind here

If it ain't broke don't fix it....!

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:54 pm

@bravo

okay.

If you are content then fine by me.

If you don't believe in improvement then maybe you have a future career in congress.

I will not lose any sleep over the sitrep.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:59 pm

@slightly fit

Typical reaction from the workers.
They don't think management knows anything.

Never had a company call me in to do an assessment that did not already know they had problems.

The only question is it management, the workers, or both. Usually the latter. But I can't do much with management so I have to concentrate on the other things that can be improved.

If you think everything is perfect and nothing can be improved than ignore all suggestions. That is easy to do. Win win for you.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:05 pm

Well, edskar, old bean. As part of the "management" I can tell you with 100% certainty that your opinion has been noted and then consigned to the bin.

As you seem to think that this website does not meet your high standards and you've also stated that wasting the lads' time is beyond your lofty merits, may I ask why you're still here?

Personally, I wouldn't hang around a forum that doesn't meet my expectations and where most people are hostile to me.
Not unless I was trolling it, anyway.

Baiting Guru Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 18313

I must have missed a memo but I don't remember any admins calling in a consultant. Laughing

Quote:

Typical reaction from the workers.
They don't think management knows anything.

That's possibly true, but you're not part of management. (I am) So, you would be the worker who doesn't think we know what we're doing?

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:51 pm

Which one are you, edskar?

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:35 pm

He's Bob (obviously),

Classic movie but isn't it time to close this thread. I think it's not going anywhere useful. Edskar isn't going to change his point of view.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:39 pm

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:16 pm

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:19 pm

Wow. I've stayed out of this because I was thinking we had a slightly overzealous and a bit misguided newb. I didn't realize we had a visiting consultant, because like Ima, I didn't get the memo.

I work for a company that uses consultants. You're right, sometimes there is resistance on the part of the employees. Sometimes it is warranted, other time it is not. But here's the part that is somehow missing: Management supports the consultants, because they have been selected based on their credentials! Nobody is hired to consult without first proving they have the appropriate credentials.

I can guarantee that if some random stranger walked into my company off the street and started telling management how to run it, they'd be out on their butt so fast it would make your head spin. That is, assuming the person got past security.

In my experience (and I have quite a bit in this area), people who walk in to a new place and immediately start complaining aboit it don't last long. And, like the boy who cried wolf, they soon find themselves ignored, even when their concerns are legitimate.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:24 pm

@slightly out

Fair enough.

I never insist on change. But I do hope:)
But I will continue to note where it could improve things when I see other areas of weakness.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:30 pm

@vampire

What if it is severely damaged although not totally broke? Perhaps repair would be an improvement.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:33 pm

@ ima

More like the little kid who said the emperor was not fully clothed:)

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:35 pm

@blue banana

I would be the guy holding the camera:)

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 pm

@ dr mike

I fully agree with that!

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:38 pm

^^, Edskar, so far for 3 pages all you have done is complain, any questions you have asked throughout the forums have been answered.

If you don't like how we play, stop coming in.

Plain simple and easy.

You're like a kid turning up at an Aussie Rules tryout with a cricket ball and bitching because we won't change the game just to suit your own preferences.

I'm out of patience reading your carping, I'm self banning myself from replying to anything more from you before I really get annoyed.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:39 pm

It's like a train wreck that you just can't stop watching.

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