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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:31 pm

I mostly bait check lads. I just started a new thing where I am baiting by using one lads name an getting another lad to mail me fake checks. When I get the checks next week I will send the fakes to my other one. Let them try to pass that off at any Nigerian bank. Guaranteed arrest.

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:38 pm

Don't do that! They may figure out it's a fake and reuse it in their scams.

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:41 pm

Not only that but if you send fake checks out and they get intercepted by the authorities and tied in back to you, you could end up in deep trouble.

Receiving them is one thing. Sending them out, an entirely different kettle of fish.

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:43 pm

Whats the difference between a fake payment slip and a fake check, other than a check is made by a scammer and a payment slip is made by a baiter?

Let them do the dirty work to get each other busted.

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:46 pm

I'll send it without a return address, obviosly.

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:52 pm

^^ Doesn't matter.
What you're talking about is basically money-muling.
It makes no difference if the intended recipient is a lad or not. It's highly dangerous to your own welfare as well as being illegal.

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:02 pm

We don't send lads fake checks for the reasons that SOOI said as well as for the same reasons that we don't send them ID's. You said it, fake checks are made by scammers. They are also used by scammers. Also, we don't send out fake checks for the same reasons we don't cash bait. It is illegal.

This thread is way off topic. Can a mod please lock it?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:01 pm

Hark the squirrel! Here at Eater we're very strict on not crossing the line into illegitimacy - it is essential in our dealings with the financial institutions and for the credibility of our friends over at scamwarners that we keep our noses very clean, so just do not allow cash baiting or anything the other side of the grey moral line.

That said, your creativity is to be encouraged, so please don't feel discouraged, but return to the drawing board and keep finding ways to cause mayhem! One fun way is to get lads fighting either by sending out the phone number of one to a load of others with a message "call me for the MTCN" and then some fake from/to transfer details. Or if you can dream up a plan to get both sides thinking the other screwed them over, that's always rewarding and efficient too. For instance lad 1 thinks lad 2 is collecting a case full of newspapers to swap for banknotes, lad 2 thinks he's picking up banknotes. Make sure neither party trusts the other...

Welcome, btw Smile

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:22 am

gerald.fird wrote:

Don't do that! They may figure out it's a fake and reuse it in their scams.

Not possible because the name on the check will be another lads name, not anyone elses. A real person wont be able to cash it, just like I cant cash a real MCTN that some lad sends me, and if they do then they had to make up a fake ID and nobody is stupid enough to try to do that at a bank.

Slightlyoutofit wrote:

^^ Doesn't matter.
What you're talking about is basically money-muling.
It makes no difference if the intended recipient is a lad or not. It's highly dangerous to your own welfare as well as being illegal.

I dont know how it can be money muling because there isnt any money involved, just a fake check that some other lad sent, and its still not any different that making up fake western union slips. There both fake. So how is it different?

Besides, how are they going to find out who sent it? I can drop it in any post box with a stamp and a fake address for the return and theres no way it can be linked to me. Thats safer than using email, plus I have the lads real address.

Snowy_owl wrote:

We don't send lads fake checks for the reasons that SOOI said as well as for the same reasons that we don't send them ID's. You said it, fake checks are made by scammers. They are also used by scammers. Also, we don't send out fake checks for the same reasons we don't cash bait. It is illegal.

This thread is way off topic. Can a mod please lock it?

Your right this will probably get locked too.

manbiteslion wrote:

Hark the squirrel! Here at Eater we're very strict on not crossing the line into illegitimacy - it is essential in our dealings with the financial institutions and for the credibility of our friends over at scamwarners that we keep our noses very clean, so just do not allow cash baiting or anything the other side of the grey moral line.

That said, your creativity is to be encouraged, so please don't feel discouraged, but return to the drawing board and keep finding ways to cause mayhem! One fun way is to get lads fighting either by sending out the phone number of one to a load of others with a message "call me for the MTCN" and then some fake from/to transfer details. Or if you can dream up a plan to get both sides thinking the other screwed them over, that's always rewarding and efficient too. For instance lad 1 thinks lad 2 is collecting a case full of newspapers to swap for banknotes, lad 2 thinks he's picking up banknotes. Make sure neither party trusts the other...

Welcome, btw Smile

Thanks, thats the best reply so far. I understand about not crossing the line but dude how is making counterfit payment slips any less illegitimate then simply baiting one lad to send you a check to give to another lad? Everyone keeps saying cash baiting so please stop it. Im not cash baiting anyone and if getting a fake check from a lad is considered cash baiting then the rules need to be updated and enforced because I can point you to a dozen thread where people are baiting these guys for fake checks.

I am getting a bit discouraged. I decide to ask a question for the first time yesterday and the thread gets locked immediately without even giving me an answer other than the normal cut and paste stuff that is repeated all the time. Im not trying to start ans shit here but damn, it seems if you cant take a three word cut and paste sentence as a answer to a honest question then everyone thinks you have a problem.

Master of Master Baiters Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 577

If you facilitate or pass a forged financial instrument [bad check] from a US company / and - or you are in the US / to anyone / anywhere - you will have committed a felony. A serious felony, btw.. that could land you in jail.

That alone should end your interest in pursuing this tact.

Besides that - and has been already mentioned - Eater has clean hands and requires its members to bait legally.

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:47 am

You and me are on the same page then. A fake western union slip is a "forged financial insturment". So I ask again, how is it any different?

I dont want to get on the wrong side of the law or anyone here, just asking. My goal like any other is to get a lad arrested, not me.

Master of Master Baiters Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 577

I'll humor you once - but suspect you don't really want to be here too long - and the Squirrel is going to get pissed. He has a shorter fuse than I have.

The WU / MG slips baiters use are not financial instruments.

They do not contain any information on which money will or can be transferred within or among financial institutions or any retail store or vendor. They are not *intended* to defraud financial institutions and have no ability to do so. They are not chits for barter and never have been and have no value.

Fake checks on the other hand are printed on real check blanks with real account information and will be accepted by financial institutions and paid upon. Fake checks are *intended* to defraud financial institutions.

I received over $100,000 in fake Wells Fargo checks a couple of years ago. I passed them to Wells Fargo [I know people there] and they confirmed it was their paper [blanks] and account numbers.

You are playing with fire. Cut it out.

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:53 am

@teh zombie, I'm kind of on the fence here...I like your modality, but as Philo pointed out, a fake check is an actual 'intent to defraud'.
Sending a fake MTCN number or a fake payment number is one thing, but sending an actual physical document (especially a forged one) is another thing altogether.

Master of Master Baiters Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 577

^^^^

Well - One of us is lucky.

The Chihuahua with sedatives arrived instead the the awesome one.

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:47 am

When baking cookies, be sure not to set the oven too high or they might burn on the outside before the interior is full cooked. Wink

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:23 am

teh zombie wrote:

I dont want to get on the wrong side of the law or anyone here, just asking.

But therein lies your problem - you will be on the wrong side of the law.

Fake cheques are made to be cashed. They're made so that they slip past the bank and the recipient fraudulently receives money.
Fake WU slips are not made to fraudulently obtain money. They cannot slip through the system and so are therefore an entirely different thing.

So let's look at the problems with what you're proposing.

1) Illegal.
2) Lad could end up with a payday.
3) Putting a cheque into the hand of a lad so that it can be copied and used on a genuine victim.
4) Risking arrest. Even though you may not put a return address on there, there will be a postmark. Post Offices have CCTV. It may sound Big Brotherish but it is totally possible to catch someone even if they haven't put a return address.

Philo Kvetch wrote:

the Squirrel is going to get pissed.

Moi? I'll have you know I'm the caring, sensitive, loving type.

@teh zombie.
PM sent.

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Not quite a Newb Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 41

Hi. I would encourage you to take a bit of time to familiarize yourself with what we do and don't do here.

You may find it a bit easier to fit in.

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