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drab
Master Baiter
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Posts: 120
Location: USA
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:22 pm |
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I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I have noticed that my postings on non-baiting forums have begun to be less emphathetic for example. I seem to enjoy trolling more than I enjoy contibuting anything constructive. I don't socialize with other people in real life often so I'm not sure if I have gotten worse in that respect.
What are your opinions on how your baiting activities bleed over into your other day to day interactions with others?
I have noticed that on baiting forums the participants seem to have pretty big egos and are quick to lash out quickly. Are people drawn to baiting because they are sociopaths?
To be honest, I, and I imagine everyone else, may tell people that you do this to help people, blah blah blah, but the reality is we enjoy this for other reasons. Your thoughts?
Profile of the Sociopath
Some common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
-Glibness and Superficial Charm
-Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
-Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
-Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
-Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
-Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
-Incapacity for Love
-Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
-Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
-Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
-Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
-Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
-Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily. |
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Elite Baiter
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:30 pm |
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firehouse5
Palm Wino Aficionado
Joined: 09 Mar 2004
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:31 pm |
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Do you ever feel like science may feed sociopathic behavior?
I have noticed that on scientific forums some of the main participants seem to have pretty big egos and are quick to lash out quickly. Are people drawn to science because they are sociopaths?
Do you ever feel like bicycling may feed sociopathic behavior?
I have noticed that on bicycling forums some of the main participants seem to have pretty big egos and are quick to lash out quickly. Are people drawn to bicycling because they are sociopaths?
My point is that behavior on the forums here is very much like any other forums I am on. And there are loads of "non big" characters who work tirelessly to publicise scams, assist victims, shut down fake sites etc. And those "big characters" I do know are not sociopaths (although I am not equipped for proper diagnosis).
Of course overexposure to scammers may lead to an increase of cynicism, but I wouldn't say sociopathy. |
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Bart Fargo
Corporate Baiter
Joined: 22 May 2010
Posts: 1605
Location: Free munchies for the cantaloupe masters
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:56 pm |
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My two cents: Baiting does not lead to sociopathy. However I see the scammers as being sociopaths. They don't care who they hurt, how much money they drain from them, what happens afterwards. They just see their victims as tools.
And so far on this site, I have not seen anyone with a huge ego or "lash out" at anyone. I see this almost as a public service, diverting the attention of the crooks. Instead of commiting crime, they are having their time wasted thanks to us. |
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Branwen
Baiting Guru
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Posts: 4771
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:59 pm |
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drab wrote: |
To be honest, I, and I imagine everyone else, may tell people that you do this to help people, blah blah blah, but the reality is we enjoy this for other reasons. |
Wrong.
I got into baiting because I wanted to distract scammers from real victims. And that fact remains as my motivation, even though fun and hilarity is often a by-product.
drab wrote: |
Are people drawn to baiting because they are sociopaths? |
Pu-lease!
So I'm abusive, irresponsible, without conscience, unable to love, and given to rage, as well as the other things you mention?
I don't think we have an emoticon for Words Fail Me. |
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Corona
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:42 pm |
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Raga Man
Baiting Guru
Joined: 04 Sep 2009
Posts: 2879
Location: In a gloomy castle on a lonely hill
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:49 pm |
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I would think true sociopaths would be more drawn to scamming than baiting. I'm sure all scammers hope to one day find a victim that will provide them a large amount of tangible wealth with no concern for the fact this was achieved through destruction of the victim's personal/financial life.
Baiting destroys no one's life. The scammer can quit scamming at any time and find a legitimate means of support. Baiting provides little tangible benefit unless little icons and occasional congratulations are considered "tangible". The reward is in the knowledge that you have helped others, in a small and very intangible way, to avoid becoming a victim.
I think it is critical to draw clear boundaries between the fantasy world of baiting and my real life. I can only offer this... if you feel, drab, like baiting is negatively affecting your real life - stop baiting. |
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Vampiremerchant
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Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Posts: 3227
Location: Scotland
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:57 pm |
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Well by definition that's what baiter's do !
If we were not good at it ( and beleivably so ! ) we would not be able to get the scammers to do the things that they do .
But the main aim has to be distracting the lads from getting more gullible people.
No I do not think that my baiting activities have impacted on my day to day life rather I have compartlamised it . |
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foo
Elite Baiter
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
Posts: 1271
Location: Itteh Bitteh Kitteh Citteh
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:02 pm |
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Honestly, a few of those have always described me, but not enough to describe myself as a sociopath. I will say that baiting has let me practice my ability to waste people's time and generally be an asshole to them, but I don't use that skill on people who don't deserve it, and I feel that I have a very good sense of who I should and shouldn't be an asshole to.
Am I incapable of love or empathy? Nope. I'm just selective about who I care about. Some people just don't do anything to make me feel any empathy toward them.
At least I no longer intentionally hold doors just long enough to hit the person behind me. |
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PastorTim
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 13 May 2010
Posts: 43
Location: Louisville, KY
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:05 pm |
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firehouse5 wrote: |
Do you ever feel like science may feed sociopathic behavior?
I have noticed that on scientific forums some of the main participants seem to have pretty big egos and are quick to lash out quickly. Are people drawn to science because they are sociopaths?
Do you ever feel like bicycling may feed sociopathic behavior?
I have noticed that on bicycling forums some of the main participants seem to have pretty big egos and are quick to lash out quickly. Are people drawn to bicycling because they are sociopaths?
My point is that behavior on the forums here is very much like any other forums I am on. And there are loads of "non big" characters who work tirelessly to publicise scams, assist victims, shut down fake sites etc. And those "big characters" I do know are not sociopaths (although I am not equipped for proper diagnosis).
Of course overexposure to scammers may lead to an increase of cynicism, but I wouldn't say sociopathy. |
I personally find this forum to be full of very normal, helpful, courteous people. I don't know what sorts of forums the original poster is used to, but 419eaters are pretty tame compared to most.
I think using the term sociopath is a bit over the top... but at the same time I think the original poster has a point or two. Many people on this forum do tend to justify what we are doing with "They are evil scammers and we're helping the good folks that get scammed"...and that's true. But I think many of us (myself included) enjoy having an evil target to pick on and abuse. We have a valid reason for it and feel it's ok to do so (and I believe this too, it's perfectly ok to bait these people that do this crap for a living). But I don't think we should deceive ourselves into thinking we're heroes for scambaiting, we get pure enjoyment out of torturing the lads and the fact that we're doing something good isn't the only reason we spend time doing it. |
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PastorTim
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 13 May 2010
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:08 pm |
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Furthermore I realize, you are posting a rather inflammatory post (characterizing members as sociopaths) but so far not one person has become angry about this. That's not sociopathic behavior.... they may disagree with you, but they are being calm and instead of flaming you or screaming for you to be banned they are discussing your post with intelligence and humor. |
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Cathartic Kate
Elite Baiter
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
Posts: 1542
Location: Spooner Hall
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:41 pm |
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@ drab - Well Done - a worthy and interesting/stimulating/thought provoking post.
Yeps - I have been hiding my Sociopathetricness.
My spending time online supporting victims, baiting and posting the odd "alert and warn" scammer report is merely a ruse de guerre.
I have an ego the size of Russia - and indeedie I not only flame, but carpet bomb anyone who hold a counter/contrary view.
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doc holliday
Squirrels Hate Me
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
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Location: Behind the Oriental,taking potshots at hitlads.
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:49 pm |
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The OP seems to be describing lads behavior to a t.I've been doing this for a couple of years now,and can't see anything sociopathic about it.
It is a sad fact of life that messing with people can be fun,but we have found what I consider a healthy outlet for that,people who richly deserve it.The fact of the matter is that we do make a difference for what most would consider a good cause.Just what one would consider sociopathic about that escapes me. |
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Badgerbait
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:55 pm |
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I agree doc. Our baiting techniques almost depend on the socipathic behavior of lads to work. If they weren't, we would be dropped more often.
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gerald.fird
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:58 pm |
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@Kate - Really? |
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Raga Man
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:31 pm |
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Pastor Tim wrote: |
But I don't think we should deceive ourselves into thinking we're heroes for scambaiting... |
This isn't just about baiting and I wouldn't downplay benefits to others. There is a great deal of wisdom and insight into the mechanics and psychology of scamming and scammers available here.
Numerous people have posted stories on eater seeking help when they (or someone very close to them) have been victims of a scam. I'm sure most benefited significantly from what they learned here. I haven't spent a lot of time at Scamwarners.com but I would wager this is true to a much larger degree on that site.
I shy away from the word "heroes" (I reserve that term for people who voluntarily risk their lives for others) but many who have been directly helped by people here and at scamwarners are very appreciative. |
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ParaNoid
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:07 pm |
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Oh no, now I have another diagnosis to add to my file... I don't know which to put first, ParaNoid Sociopath or Sociopathic ParaNoid.
Is there a dr in the house? |
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Dutch
Baiting Guru
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:21 pm |
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Definitely. I'm the only only (more or less, probably more less than more) sane member on these forums. Run left! Or stick around, of course, even better. |
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Esox lucius
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:23 pm |
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dwatina
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:28 pm |
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I'll admit that I enjoy the pain and time-wasting that I administer to my lads. I know that the longer I can keep them tied-up it's less time they have for others. But I also know that I enjoy the hell out of driving my lads crazy. To be honest--I think I enjoy that more than the idea of me being helpful. I suppose that's wrong, but I do go to bed at night grinning at what I've put my lads through than thinking of the victims I may have prevented him from contacting.
But--I read my scam mails carefully and pick the ones I reply to by how believable it is (i.e., how likely a victim would fall for it). And I concentrate on those most of the time. Of course, the mass baits don't count.
I have noticed since joining Eater that I tend to put up with less bullshit from people I know (who are bullshit artists). And I also seem have a better bullshit antenna. |
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callum
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:37 am |
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Doesn't seem to have affected SOOI at all...
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Uffe hin Spage
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:13 am |
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For me scambaiting is mostly for the fun of it. If I did not get so much satisfaction out of frustrating the lads I wouldn't do it.
However I would not feel the same satisfaction if I was wasting the time of honest people. It is only rewarding to be evil to the lads because I know that they are scammers and that they have it coming. I like the idea of us doing a public service by taking up time they could have been using to scam gullible people but unfortunately I don't think we are making that much of an impact; the number of lads is simply too large compared to the number of baiters.
I have noticed that I have learnt some lessons on bullshit from baiting that can be used in real life. I've become more aware to the bullshit I hear and I have also become better at bullshitting myself. After all lads and baiters have one thing in common; we lie all the time about everything. |
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:22 am |
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I feel like a sociopath sometimes, then I go out and get one! |
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