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Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 8

Someone wants me to go to a certain agency that deals in foreign currency, by a reloadable card in a another currency, to get the prepaid card I will have to use a name and social and mothers maiden name he has provided. i have the id for the name. He wants to then proceed to load an amount on it then have me withdraw and give him 50% what kind of scam is this? It's nothing linked to my name or personal so whats going on

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:30 am

he will most likely be loading cash onto the card from a hacked bank account, as soon as you try to withdraw money with it you will be shafted by the long dick of the law

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:56 am

In a lot of cases you also have to pay a "fee" of a few thousand dollars before the card is "released" to you.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 8

No fee, I just go get the card and go to any atm and withdraw the money

Master Baiter Joined: 31 Oct 2009 Posts: 159

Getting a card under false name is a criminal offense.

Most probably when you load the card, the lad will take the money out - probably this is why he wants you to make a card under false name.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 8

I'm not loading the card, he is.

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:19 pm

^^^ and he is most likely loading the card with a stolen credit card. thus you withdrawer the money, send him his cut (most of it) (via wesern oinion(untraceable)) he walks away with his money, you turn around to see a police officer standing behind you because you are the only link to the fraud and theft that was just committed.

Incases like this, victims (yes the poor innocent victim) has to pay back the stolen money, and gets a criminal conviction. Of course thats worst case scenario, but regardless of how it could or might go down, its a scam so walk away now. Or open a new email, not linked to you, and bait this guy

Welcome

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:29 pm

Sounds like an advanced fee fraud scam, punishable under Nigerian Penal code 419.

In all seriousness, these ATM scams are pretty common. If you get to the stage where he tries to send the card to you, SOOI is completely correct (as squirrels frequently are). They will either have:
1. An account activation fee that must be paid before you can use the card (more than likely)
2. A percentage share of the dosh (less likely, since this would require them having faith that you would share the money)

Either way, these baits are pretty fun. The longest I've taken an ATM scam is 4 1/2 months, with loads of delicious questions, answers, more questions, dolla chopping, and some trips to some of our baiter-created lad punishment MCTN retrieval services.
I wouldn't plan on them going out to give you trophies on these baits (until you're very experienced), but you can certainly learn the ropes of baiting with one such as this.
Best of luck and bait safe!

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 8

He's from Portugal, he wants me to buy a greendot moneyp** because he can take the code and do whatever he wants with it.

I can go to any atm.

He is supplying the fake id's with matching ssns

He says he has insider information

He is very well educated, no grammer fuck ups like nigerians have.

He gets pissed when I ask to many questions.

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:54 pm

He's a bit more of a proffessional Lad, but a Lad all the same, bait the piece of s**t and you'll see he is as F***ing stupid as the rest of the Lads.

i would get more satisfaction knowing he's good at 419ing people, it means he's had a lot of innocent people over to get as good as he is, so pass him on if your a little inexperienced....ha ha im sure there are some Baiters here that would love to get him to Chad, dodging landmines.

Have fun, and get rid of that addy if its linked to your real identity Very Happy

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 8

Ok, well he has even "carded" me a bus ticket too and I rode the bus three states to do this for him. Luckily I forgot a crucial part of the operation and had to return home but he still wants me to go back next week and is willing to card another ticket

*Edit : I have even looked up this thing to see if it's a scam and I can't find anything on google having to do with what he's asking, with the company he's going through

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:14 pm

It does seem more advanced than many of the advance fee frauds, especially if the scammer is paying for your travel tickets in advance. If he is having you go to a specific greendot outlet, this does suggest that he has some kind of insider information - has he already provided you with the fake ID with which you are supposed to collect the card? What went wrong on your first journey related to this scam?

It is without doubt a fraudulent transaction, and guaranteed that you would be participating in illegal activities if you participate in this money transfer activity, even by collecting the card. His hesitation to answer your questions is also a clear indication of this.

Who knows whether your role is strictly taking the risk of doing the illegal transaction, or whether they have plans to separate you from your own money as well - some of these scams are extremely complex.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 8

Ok, I'll shed a little more information..

I am to go to one of the locations and register with them to get a reloadble mastercard. I am to load $200 initially, but I am to withdraw that money right away for me.

There locations are usually in airports and I can go to ANY location in the USA

I am to withdraw the money, give him the fake ID info, and debit card number. Along with the matching ssn and mothers maiden name he gave me

He is going to load 1500 dollars on it in 3 transactions of 500 each

I am to withdraw and go to any cvs,walgreens of my choice to buy the card for and give him 50% of his share..

Rest is for me to do what ever with.

I'm know this is illegal, but I'm wondering if it would work. In no way will I do this I am just trying to gain information.

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:52 pm

Does he know if and when you have brought the card (with $200 on it) but prior to you withdrawing that $200. there is a reason he wants you to put money on it from the start, it would be completly pointless you putting money on the card on at all only to withdrawer it to begin with. He may withdraw it before you get a chance to.

If he does actually put money on it, and have you withdraw it and send him a cut, then its stolen money he is putting on it. Its basic money laundering, the stolen credit card is linked to the reloadable one, you are linked to withdrawing on that card. you send the money untraceable to him, and he walks away cash in hand not connected to the stolen money. The way you write you almost sound like you believe him, and have contemplated trying it. Your gut instinct tell you its wrong, thats why you came here. stick to that belief.

maybe you could post his email address and some guys here could have a shot at him and that would get a clearer answer for you.

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:04 pm

This sounds an awful lot like you getting something (or a lot) for nothing at all, right? Right, that just doesn't happen, and neither will you ever win a lottery without participating in it (where would the money come from if no one has to buy a ticket?)

The rule of thumb is: if it's too good to be true, it's not true.

ETA: Even if you don't want to share the guy's contact address(es), please do share some (at least the very first) of the e-mails he's sent you (edit out any personal data that might be in there). Maybe someone can point out where the scam is in this story or find some additional reading for you that prove beyond doubt that this is a scam.
You might also want to check out scamwarners.com.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 8

Here you go!

Me ‎(1/28/2010 12:49 PM):
Hi you messaged me on ******
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:06 PM):
Yea
Me ‎(1/28/2010 1:06 PM):
ok
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:06 PM):
Theres something I got ready to pay us both right now
Me ‎(1/28/2010 1:06 PM):
explain to me abt this
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:06 PM):
its similar to WU and Moneygram but its less risk because you do not go into some random store to cash out
Me ‎(1/28/2010 1:07 PM):
ok
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:07 PM):
1) you get a reloadable card (actually its free)
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:07 PM):
2) I reload it
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:07 PM):
3) you cash out at any atm
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:07 PM):
the card is by ********
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:07 PM):
they are NOT located in every state
Me ‎(1/28/2010 1:07 PM):
im in the usa
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:07 PM):
which states can you go to
Me ‎(1/28/2010 1:07 PM):
*******
Me ‎(1/28/2010 1:08 PM):
right now
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:08 PM):
note: the card is initially free, you just need to bring $200 to put on it
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:08 PM):
then you can take the 200 back immediately
Them ‎(1/28/2010 1:08 PM):
Ok but can you go to **,** etc
them‎(1/28/2010 1:08 PM):
im searching ** now wait
me‎(1/28/2010 1:08 PM):
its in **
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:08 PM):
near me actually
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:09 PM):
I got **
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:09 PM):
********.com
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:09 PM):
**********************************************
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:09 PM):
These are the locations
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:09 PM):
im in *******
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:09 PM):
Ok.. but eventually if we wanted to make $10,000, $50,000 .... etc
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:09 PM):
you would want to go to the other ones too
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
so
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
i go buy the card
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
Ive already did like 25k myself
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
put 200 on it
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
but im not in the USA right now
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
take the 200 dollars out
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
then, take the 200 off
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
then what
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
then.. I reload it
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
with 1500
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
$500 x 3 during 5 days
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
500 on monday, 500 on tuesday
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
500 on thursday
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
something like that
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
then, you throw it away
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
and we can do it again
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
ok
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:10 PM):
what do you get out of it
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:11 PM):
50/50 %
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:11 PM):
I dont get the question
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:11 PM):
You mean percentage right
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:11 PM):
you answered it
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:11 PM):
yes
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:11 PM):
i only have 1 fake id
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:12 PM):
but i dont know where i can buy more
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:12 PM):
i got vendors
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:12 PM):
you will give vendors after i do this once
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:12 PM):
yea we can even
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:12 PM):
split the cost
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:12 PM):
of future IDs
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:12 PM):
how r u getting money
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:13 PM):
you go to rite aide, walmart or walgreens
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:13 PM):
and buy "reload card for Green-Dot"
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:14 PM):
i can use ****** card at an atm to take the money out
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:14 PM):
any atm
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:14 PM):
ok
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:14 PM):
and I WU money to you?
them‎(1/28/2010 1:14 PM):
this will take like 10 minutes of effort on your part
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:15 PM):
(to go to any atm)
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:15 PM):
No, i dont want WU
me‎(1/28/2010 1:15 PM):
ok i will do it, but tell me how to do it again.. i go to ****** and buy what
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:15 PM):
i got something cheaper
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:15 PM):
tell me details, ill brb
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:15 PM):
You will pay me through something called "Green-Dot Card" at Rite Aide Walmart, etc
them‎(1/28/2010 1:15 PM):
You go to ******* with fake ID, I will provide you with SSN DOB match
them‎(1/28/2010 1:16 PM):
you sign up for "**** ******** ******** ********** - CURRENCY OF: EUROS"
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:16 PM):
you get the card immediately
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:16 PM):
Free to get card with $200 load
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:16 PM):
we could do this right now if you can
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:17 PM):
and then get more fake IDs and go onward with $10,000, $25,000, etc...
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:17 PM):
because it would be easy to make 10k in one week
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:23 PM):
i have my own fake id
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:23 PM):
to use
them‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
Yea im saying for the second time
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
ooo
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
ok
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
200 euros
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
no
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
$200 dollars
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
USD
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
is like 130 euro
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
just bring 220.00
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
o
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
ok
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:24 PM):
Say this, "I want a **** ******** ********** ** Euros"
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:25 PM):
First tell me the name
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:25 PM):
I wil geta SSN to use
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:25 PM):
the name im going to use?
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:25 PM):
Yea
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:25 PM):
**** ******
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:25 PM):
and also: Have you ever been to Walmart or Rite Aid before
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:25 PM):
I have a matching social
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:26 PM):
and dob
me‎ ‎(1/28/2010 1:26 PM):
and yes I have been to walmarts there are two by me
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:26 PM):
You know the aisle with the gift cards
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:26 PM):
they sell something called "moneyp** Reload card for Green-Dot"
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:26 PM):
that's what I need for my 50%
them ‎(1/28/2010 1:26 PM):
it costs $5
me ‎(1/28/2010 1:26 PM):
ok

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 14

This almost sounds like a money laundering scheme of some sort?

I have worked in the finance industry for years, and have to go through moneey laundering training once per. These are the types of things you read and hear about in training.

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:47 pm

^Ooh.. if it requires fake ID's it's definitely not right... Razz

This'll probably be money laundering indeed... I also agree this is definitely not standard lad-english.

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:52 pm

Isn't 50% a lot for laundering? Must be stolen money.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 8

Yeah this guys is turning into a jerk. He is saying he will make me pay dearly for wasting his time.. He has no personal info on me.. not even my IP and if he did he would have my proxy which is in Denver Colorado! I'm east coast.

Thanks guys, lots of help

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:25 pm

any chance on getting this guys email address? wouldnt mind seeing if he bites.

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:24 pm

email address and full headers would help.

Master Baiter Joined: 31 Oct 2009 Posts: 159

If the lad is in Portugal and you can verify this by his e-mails, then immediately contact the local law enforcement. They will contact the police in Portugal via Interpol and the lad will be jailed.
For sure there is something criminal going on.

Master Baiter Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 123

I think you should post his e-mail address.

It seems you would just be his mule, but you would have a good chance of getting away with the money, illegal of course.

Maybe the initial $200 load is a pre-requisite for being able to put a lot more money on it.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:39 pm

^^^^ whatsthatcomingoverthehil

Such a nice turn of phrase

Quote:

as soon as you try to withdraw money with it you will be shafted by the long dick of the law

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