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thud419
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If you search-and-replaced "Alien" with "Zombie" you'd get exactly the same movie. You wouldn't need to change the plot one iota. In fact it would be more believable.
- We know that Aliens mature fast, but that film has them maturing in minutes or less.
- It has zero character development.
- The predator would make more sense as a crazed, psychopathic zombie hunter.
- In fact the predator is entirely optional. Nothing he does has any effect except destroying any evidence that could lead to plot development.
- It has minimal plot and works on action, gore and shock.
It's a bad zombie movie.
In a sense an alien is a zombie, in that it converts a human being into a monster. It's a pretty weak correspondence, but it's there. You've got infection, incubation and turning, followed by flesh-eating, so you've got all the plot development opportunities used in zombie movies. It's a pity that AVP R didn't use any of them. |
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Nurse Nasty
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Ghost
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:10 pm |
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NN I am surprised at your lackadaisical response to changing the word alien with zombie.
@Thud - you can't just change the word alien with zombie and call it a zombie movie. It wasn't a zombie movie. That is just crazy talk.
For one zombies don't fly spaceships, have invisible cloaking devices, shoulder fired cannons that are self aiming in addition to a large arsenal of cool weapons like the whip or the burning net. Not to mention the rest of the predator's technology.
The aliens are nothing like zombies. I don't think the eat flesh. All they want to do it put a baby inside of you. They move fast, are very large, very strong, organized, and bleed acid.
AVPR may have been a bad movie but it was not a bad zombie movie because it was not a zombie movie.
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In a sense an alien is a zombie, in that it converts a human being into a monster. It's a pretty weak correspondence, but it's there. You've got infection, incubation and turning, followed by flesh-eating, so you've got all the plot development opportunities used in zombie movies. |
I have no idea what you mean by converts a human being into a monster and there was no infection and no flesh eating.
Also, alien movies are sci-fi and zombie movies are horror. Regardless, aliens are aliens and zombies are zombies. I can understand calling it a bad sci fi movie or a bad alien movie but I have no idea how you can consider this a zombie movie. There were no zombies. |
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Ghost wrote: |
The aliens are nothing like zombies.... All they want to do it put a baby inside of you. |
I wish to be known as "Alien" from now on. |
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Ghost
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:57 pm |
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Yeah well Slightly, they don't put babies in the fun way. They go in through your mouth and make you swallow the seed.
On second thought....
Get you mind out of the gutter prev boi.
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thud419
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:57 pm |
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Ghost wrote: |
I don't think the eat flesh. |
So where does the biomass come from? How do they grow from little wormy thing to big shiney thing without eating? In the original movie, IIRC, most of the crew disappeared. Only the captain was found (in a deleted scene). |
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Slightlyoutofit
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:44 pm |
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Sorry thud. No way am I letting you have the Zombie = Alien argument.
The ways of the Alien are not well known. We can only speculate as to what it eats.
There is every possibility that it is just a very pissed off vegetarian.
Zombies, on the other hand, are a known quantity. |
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Ghost
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:49 pm |
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No matter how you try to justify it or color it up with similar plots, a movie about aliens IS NOT a zombie movie and never will be. |
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Clark Fur Trading
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:11 pm |
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Although not a zombie flick, AVP Requiem is about on par with another choice film of the Zombie style...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0463392/
Please tell me that I'm not the only one who has seen this gem. |
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Nurse Nasty
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:50 pm |
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thud419
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r2d2
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:23 pm |
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Ghost wrote: |
The aliens are nothing like zombies. I don't think they eat flesh. |
in 'alien resurrection' the commander of the research station had part of his anatomy eaten by an alien. specifically, his brain.
after the alien struck, he reached round to grab a piece of it himself, but i don't think he intended to eat it. |
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Ghost
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:16 am |
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I do not believe we are debating whether an alien movie is a zombie movie.
You know what, I'll let you have this one. AVPR was a really horrible zombie movie. Mainly because there were no zombies but that is beside the point. |
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Badgerbait
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:01 am |
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Ghost you are so right!
I only like the canonical Alien movies(Alien and Aliens), both sans zombies and rightly so, those were alien movies. The rest were Hollywood's attempt at milking a dead, non-zombified cow. The predator connection originated from Marvel Comics circa late 80's early 90's, followed by arcade games then culminating in the atrocity called AVP.
How about Serpent and the Rainbow? Not a good pick but zombies are mentioned... |
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Tsnerd
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:12 am |
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Toy Story is a zombie movie. |
How so? At best, it is a 'dramatic thriller'....unless you are easily frightened, I guess. |
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Cheesecake King
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Well there was that scene in the bully's room (I think...) where all the mutant toys come out of the dark... Thats zombie-esque, right? |
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Tsnerd
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where all the mutant toys come out of the dark... Thats zombie-esque, right? |
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<strike>Ah...but is it Alien-esque? Really, does it approach the scare you got when that damn cat jumped out and you spilled your rum-laden Coke all over your girlfriend and then had to sneak her in through your garage so that her clothes could be washed, and then your mom walked in...</strike>scratch that.
Ah...but is it Alien-esque? |
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I think there is a media black out on the zombie infestation. |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:51 pm |
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^^^ thats because zombie outbreaks always start in media outlets first, that way it doesnt get report and you never see em coming |
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http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/UF-Emergency-Plan-Includes-Zombie-Attack-63141182.html
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Nurse Nasty
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