Keshe Space Foundation scam

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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:36 pm

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He's a real person. Maybe he's full of crap, but there's a difference between being delusional and being a scammer...

It's a site selling tickets to the moon in a nonexistent spaceship propelled by technology that doesn't work and depends on stuff that doesn't even exist within light years of Earth. It's a scam, I'll send off some emails.

EDIT: Mods, please don't move this behind a login or anything - I may reference it in my reports.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:19 am

OK, I've sent this to PayPal:

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First, let me say that neither I nor anyone I know has sent any money to this person. I am merely reporting something that is obviously a scam which is making use of PayPal's services.

I am a member of an online community which fights scamming on the internet. We recently had a scam site (http://www.keshespace.com/) brought to us for investigation (forum thread at http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=177742). I have posted a longer review in that thread, with the username foo123, in the second and fourth posts, of why the spaceship and planned trips to the moon cannot possibly exist, but the general idea is that they're just throwing random scientific-sounding terms together and hoping nobody with any knowledge of physics or space travel will read it. Other users in the same thread have found numerous other inconsistencies in their site's content. It is quite obviously a scam.

I will be contacting their web host as well with the same information, but I would like to point out that they are accepting large transfers into their PayPal account from http://www.keshefoundation.com/spaceexploration/moon_trip.html. I don't know enough about how the PayPal web buttons work to find their account's email address, but I'm sure one of you will be able to figure it out.

Please look into this account and have it closed, as this is obviously fraudulent activity. Thank you.

And this to GoDaddy (their host):

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I am a member of an online community which fights scamming on the internet. We recently had a scam site (http://www.keshespace.com/) brought to us for investigation (forum thread at http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=177742) and it appears that it is hosted on GoDaddy's hosting service. I have posted a longer review in that thread, with the username foo123, in the second and fourth posts, of why the spaceship and planned trips to the moon cannot possibly exist, but the general idea is that they're just throwing random scientific-sounding terms together and hoping nobody with any knowledge of physics or space travel will read it. Other users in the same thread have found numerous other inconsistencies in their site's content. It is quite obviously a scam.

I have informed PayPal (which is being used to handle their payments) about this and thought I would inform you as well.

Please look into this site and have it closed, as this is obviously fraudulent activity. Thank you.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:54 am

^^^
Well done!

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:01 am

Spock123 wrote:

If he is for real then he should provide proof of the facts that is the reactor in operation. Until then he is to be assumed to be a fraud. Seeing is believing.

No, that's not how it works. You are innocent until proved guilty. It's not the other way around...

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:03 am

^^ It's obviously a scam, we've all proven that. Now it's his turn to defend himself.

Ooh, if it does go down can I put the Martian flag in my signature? Smile

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:08 am

You didn't convince me that it's a scam. I think that he truly believes in his theory, and being delusional as he seems, he would need a lot of cash to build a spacecraft. Something like the arks in the movie 2012.

I don't think anybody proved he's a scammer, so I think you were wrong sending those e-mails. But it's just my opinion.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:28 am

Ah, I see what you mean now.

That's certainly a possibility, but that just means he's scamming and has convinced himself that it's not a scam. The fact still remains that he's collecting money using bullsh!t marketing-speak to fund something that does not and cannot exist.

It's not completely clear to me whether he (claims to have) built a ship already or is collecting money to build a ship. If the latter, he's clearly thought about it way too much, or got a lucid dream confused with real life somehow:

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If you have a chance to observe lift through a window or a television channel, on board, you will notice initially at the point of take-off, slight shining bright light around the craft, which will distort the view for a few seconds.

Also, speaking of 2012: If this actually is real I do hope he had the common sense to allow the engines to be turned on despite the back door being jammed. That's quite a major engineering flaw.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: 31

The world can be a frustrating place and more so with people like Keshe. At one time I believed people like Keshe other ones with free energy like Steorn and so on. It was only later I realised they were using pseudoscience to cover up for the fact that they did not have any real technology. I nearly bought the tickets to the live demonstration. Then I realised. Thank god.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:33 am

You have a real crusade against this guy. I spotted you on at least three forums trashing him...

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:41 am

Not quite a Newb Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: 31

I just dont like it when people make false promises. I believe a man must keep his word and not give excuses. For instance he promised to demonstrate his technology in July last year. Now its February and March. I have had enough people make false promises in my life I cant take it any more.This guy is a typical scam artist. He is just like the astrologers my parents have taken me to. They claim to know the future but it never turns out like they predicted. Even my parents have made false promises to me. I dont trust anyone any more without proof. Crying or Very sad

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:00 am

if it really was true wouldn't the big three auto makers be buying the technology so they could bury it?

Rolling Eyes

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:18 am

Spock123 wrote:

I just dont like it when people make false promises. I believe a man must keep his word and not give excuses. For instance he promised to demonstrate his technology in July last year. Now its February and March. I have had enough people make false promises in my life I cant take it any more.This guy is a typical scam artist. He is just like the astrologers my parents have taken me to. They claim to know the future but it never turns out like they predicted. Even my parents have made false promises to me. I dont trust anyone any more without proof. Crying or Very sad

So he's a failure. Learn to live with it. I've seen you only registered to trash this guy. Is the only thing you talk about in other forums. Are there any other "scam artists" you want to denounce or is it something personal against Keshe?

Not quite a Newb Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: 31

His theory and story just dosen't add up. It is most likely a fabrication.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:20 am

larry wrote:

if it really was true wouldn't the big three auto makers be buying the technology so they could bury it?

Rolling Eyes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Disclosure_Project Wink

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:25 am

Spock123 wrote:

His theory and story just dosen't add up. It is most likely a fabrication.

That's what I meant. You don't have hard evidence that he's afraud, it's just "most likely".

Not quite a Newb Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: 31

The disclosure project is another fraud. They also keep promising. Disclosure next year, next year and so on. Its also a fraud. If aliens really existed they would have made contact by now. Razz

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:02 am

Well, that's the whole point of the Disclosure Program! They claim that aliens HAD made contact and that the government is holding info and technology.

Actually, it had been revealed that many UFO sightings were in fact new aircrafts designs being tested by the US Army... Not that they had designed them with alien techlology...

Not quite a Newb Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: 31

Whatever. That dosent prevent it from being a scam.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:14 am

The alien automobile technology was accidently released in 1953.

Smile

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:17 am

Hope this thread gets turned into the alien version of the Zombie thread in General Chat

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:27 am

i'm joining Black Dog....

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:01 am

Not quite a Newb Joined: 16 Dec 2009 Posts: 33

Black Dog wrote:

Hope this thread gets turned into the alien version of the Zombie thread in General Chat

I dont think that will happen, As soon as this "ship" "craft" or what ever you want to call it gets up and out of the atmosphere i will give odds of even money that the Borg or some other enitity that hates hot pink space ships will be waiting to blast it into small insignificant particles of protoplasm as payback for what happened in Roswell.

I'm with foo123 and think its some sime kind of cult/scam to get ppl who believe this crap to pay for their very own hitchhikers ride to the galaxy !!

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:28 am

I do not think he is a fraud, just delusional like the "scientists" than deny the existance of AIDS or say that every illness (even cancer) has a psychological cause.

His site is not fraudulant, but it should be closed for the public good since with modern medicine, these kind of people tend to stay in the genepool.

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