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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:17 pm

So im relatively new to all this, but I tend to have alot of free time here at work, Very Happy

so I am already baiting 4 lads while waiting for a mentor, i am baiting safe and having a ball so far, but I had a very sudden turn with my first bait, which I was baiting straight up until now, I was trying to earn trust and was talking about how my son worked for different charity groups and was currently in W africa, after I refused to pay the Brithish (his spelling) law enforcement agency to realease my cheque at the border (of Australia, some jurisdiction they have there) he asked if I would prefer if he travelled to my son and did a money hand over, he did tell me that we may need cash or gifts to bribe officials to get things running smooth and quickly but that could be handed over as the cheque is handed over..... I've got nothing to lose it seems,

So i havnt even told him where in W africa and he is staying but he tells me he will travel there to get the deal completed...... I hinted at a $100000 bribe amount that may have helped, so it looks like I may get a safari out of my verdy first lad, he may be full of it too, but got to try string him along anyway.

Now I would rather actually achieve my first safari than lose him becuase I went for somewhere out of my league, so whats some ideas on where to try send him?

Also he is using a gmail account, so how can i verify if he is there or not? should I make up an excuse on why i cant accept gmail anymore? somekind of software failure? or should I try for pictures?

Any help would be appreciated, I will be stoked if i get a safari to post straight up.

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:35 pm

Huntington wrote:

so whats some ideas on where to try send him?

You still haven't told us where he's based out of. Wink

Huntington wrote:

Also he is using a gmail account, so how can i verify if he is there or not?

He might get a local sim card, in which case you'll notice a change in calling code when he phones you.

BUT, he may not be that kind of lad, so I'd absolutely recommend you get him off GMail. What seems to work the most for me is saying that his letters keep on getting flagged as fraud and sent to the spam folder. You belive that a change of provider will resolve the problem.

Good luck on your first safari, and welcome to Eater. Thumbs up

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:38 pm

trust me to leave out something like that,

well same prob telling where he is, since he is gmailing, and doesnt phone. due to the secrecy required apparantly, but he says he is in ghana and has asked for all monies to go to ghana

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:53 pm

Ghana isn't at all unlikely, so we'll go with that for now.

As far as locations go, remember to keep West African lads traveling through the ECOWAS countries...

...ECOWAS is an economic union which provides, amongst other things, visa-free travel for citizens. I'm not advocating sparing lads trouble, but if a safari seems too difficult, they're a lot more likely to simply not do it.

Destination? You want to keep this flexible. Say that your son moves around a lot on account of his activities. Don't make it sound like the lad won't catch him, that won't win you too many points. Just make it so that he's not too vexed at you when he shows up and there's no one waiting for him.

"Well, look how long you took. Didn't I tell you my son moves a lot? I'm sure I did. He can't stay in one place forever waiting for ghosts."

Naturally, your dear son won't be that pissed and he'll kindly offer to make the transaction at his new location.

As for which location you'd like to start at, that's up to you. One would have to be used to corresponding to a lad to know just how far he'd go, but if you want to play it safe, you can start out close. Lome, Cotonou, Lagos, and Abidjan are the nearest BIG lad hubs, ordered from nearest to farthest. Pick one.

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:38 pm

I'm mentoring Dr Zee at the moment, and he's got a doozy of a romance scammer (I hope he'll post some of the details today - they're weird).

A couple of days ago header analysis put our scammer in the north of Nigeria, just a bit west of Jos. But yesterday "she" was in Lagos!

Can you claim a safari you didn't even try for? Wink

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:23 am

Thanks for the advice Nick i will use it best i can,

^^^ and as for not trying, he has just asked my son character to go to him in an attempt to get out of travelling, so i am thinking i will have to put some effort into this, but he does seem keen on getting the money so hopefully it all works out well[/quote]

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:24 am

NickTheCop is a safari machine at the mo, so you're getting great advice.

I suspect though that your lad will whine like a little girl about his $1000 taxi fare and $3000 visa and other fantasy costs, and if you'd be so kind as to wire him. The money now, etc. Lads are whiney little bitches on the whole, and by definition too lazy to work for a living, so it's a rare travel lad - but if you've got one, with NtC's tips, you'll get him moving Smile

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:23 pm

Quick update.

My lad changed his mind from the original idea and asked that i travelled to Ghana, i had to inform him that i had to stay with my group as i work for a charity organisation, and that he would need to come to me.

he had the nerve to snap back telling me they are a government organisation and that they do not travel to thier clients and that I must go to Ghana or legal action will be taken against me.

Had to give him a quick reminder slap that
1. i dont work for him, dont dare talk to me like that
2. i am not his client i am his clients son, his client is a fiesty 82 year old widow
3. its ok i will spend my money elsewhere

he has written back with a very brief apology for his manner and will talk write to me tomorrow after speaking with his associates. hoping i didnt slap him to hard, need to get him back on his travelling train of thought

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:33 am

Safaris rarely (read: never) come without effort. You're going to have a lot of lad bitching before he does make a move. The trick is to stand your ground.

You see, in most "forms" - so to speak - of baiting, acting reckless, violent and unpredictable is what gets you results. Not so with safari baiting. When you're shooting for safaris, you need to have resolve and stability. One could write a whole book on how to do that, but the single most important thing you should do is NOT compromise with the lad.

Be prepared for them to tell you that they can't do it, they will always say that. It's too far, it's too expensive, my mother died, my goat died, whatever. You'll hear it all. Whatever the lad says, even if it genuinely looks like he won't make the trip, do not cave. The moment you do cave, you've lost control over the bait and your lad will most likely never move.

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:06 am

NickTheCop wrote:

do not cave. The moment you do cave, you've lost control over the bait and your lad will most likely never move.

Good advice Laughing

I would never cave... Would I, Nick Wink

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:09 am

^^ Nah. That would never happen. Rolling Eyes

Moral of the story: Heed my advice, or end up like Black Dog.

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:31 am

NickTheCop wrote:

Moral of the story: Heed my advice, or end up like Black Dog.

Anyone interested in knowing what that means... I had a safari set up for a lad to travel from Johannessburg to Cape Town and was sick of the lad crying that it was too far so (against what NickTheCop always tells me) i caved and said I would meet him halfway in Durban. Now in lad-think, if i was prepared to go halfway then I can go the full way to him so i was promptly dropped after too many attempts to get him to meet me in Cape Town

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:47 am

Did you solve your lad using Gmail issue?

If you want your lad to change it, next time he emails you, respond with something like this:

Code:

[Auto-Block]This email service was blocked and marked as spam. If you wish to send an email to this person, please try another provider.

Follow it up with a few frantic emails to your lad asking him why he hasn't been responding. Give it a day and then tell him that all his emails have been going to the spam folder. Then tell him to change it.

In regards to safari's I agree with Nick. Never fold.

It's also very helpful to have a plan before you start on a lad. You could just 'blind luck' it and have him wandering all over the country after a few emails. It's rare but happens. Any game-plan you have can be recycled on other lads, so don't be afraid of doing some ground work first. Before I sent any lad into the wild yonder I made sure I had a reason to get him anywhere.

Getting a lad to do anything for you isn't that difficult if you have a plan.

Despite of all the nutty things I've made lads do I always bait very straight. You make everything so completely believable so that when you ask for something odd it appears to be very normal. Getting a lad to move from his location requires the right type of bait to be dangled in the right direction. You adapt your script adapt to the particular country they live. Each scammer will be different to the next, so it's hard to gauge who will do what and when.

It's all trial and error, which is the best way to learn around here. If you're struggling, ask someone. That's why we're here.

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:04 pm

ok this lad hasnt replied since i gave him a gentle slap in the right direction, but im not too worried yet, he ussually writes once a day so missing one day is not reason to stress. but from the second he mentioned travelling myself i had decided not to let him back out of it, if i lose him so be it, but im sticking to my guns, and in his eyes this is the only viable option i see to get the transaction completed.

as for his email, i havnt pushed it yet, focussing on getting him to move, once i am more certain that he is going i will push for the email change.

im now getting ALOT of lads coming in on that same email, i am playing a few but sticking to the same background story just incase my main lad is trying from a new email to see if im legit.

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:29 am

Huntington wrote:

ok this lad hasnt replied ... he ussually writes once a day so missing one day is not reason to stress.

Keep in mind that, as they do with weekends, lads will also often take holidays off. They see themselves as "businessmen". Rolling Eyes

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:23 am

what kind of respectable businessman would work on a weekend, they are setting a good example to the rest of us, i should take weekends of too.....

meanwhile my love lad writes everyday at least 3 times. he hit a stumbling block when he sent me generic pics of someone else and i asked for pics holding a sign, getting every excuse under the sun now.

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:26 pm

@Nick & NN - I couldn't agree more to the not caving in approach. I think that this applies to piggy hunting as well.
I've found that there are so many lads that are reluctant to do much of anything regarding giving accounts (I imagine due to the cut that gets taken out by the owner) and some are quite belligerent when it comes to demanding the payment via WU/MG.
My method is quite similar to what these venerated baiters have said - sticking to my story, making everything quite believable by straight baiting, and letting the lads know that a pay day is coming if only they play by my rules.
I think a lot of new baiters get into the mindset of wanting results too quickly from their new pets and don't want to play the test of wills game with the lads. In my relatively small amount of experience, if I get them hooked, the greatest tool that I have for getting them to do things the way that I want them done is time and pressure.

Good luck on the Safari. Nick's a genius with them - you'd do quite well to follow his advice. And well, I can't think of many other baiters that understand the lad psyche more masterfully than NN.
I'm wondering if this technique should be added to EU (that of standing one's ground and the elaboration on how lads think)?

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:40 pm

Your organisation's insurance stipulates that you must keep to the agreed itinerary.

Nick. Where's your proper avatar? I know you are an "Argent to Lucifer" but I liked the trophy Smile

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I'm looking forward to watching this play out, happy hunting.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:55 pm

Although originally the lads idea, this lad has become quite insistant that he doesnt want to move, so to light a fire under his ass, i told him my charity group is moving to another region within two weeks and he needs to get there by then, he informed me that it wouldnt be possible and he would go back to dealing with my original char.

My original charactor has now told my lad that she has already sent the money to her son in West africa, and that she would now be unreachable via email as she is going on a caravanning trip across the nulibor in australia, good luck finding an internet connection across that desert.

hopefully now that he has no other choices he will make a move, but he seems damn insistant and lazy, maybe his oga wont fund him, so it could be an untimely end to the bait if he doesnt move.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:10 pm

Hmm, could maybe dangle the promise of extra cash to "refund him for his travel expenses" that'll be handed over along with the existing payment.
Greed seems to be the only factor all lads have in common Wink

Just a suggestion though, I'm still a newbie at baiting Embarassed

Noticed a lot of Gmail lads actually. Have some of them figured out about the IP blocking?

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:59 pm

Huntington: How goes it with the lad? Ya getting close?

Fowan Nyne wrote:

Nick. Where's your proper avatar? I know you are an "Argent to Lucifer" but I liked the trophy Smile

Which one? Mikey?

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1731

extra cash? Yawn! Where is the sex angle? I guarantee the only thing needed to move this lad a promise of some nookie. Never forget there are scientific studies to back up that the sex and money excite the same areas of the male brain. Sorry guys, it is a proven fact.

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:00 am

I will keep that in my tiny little male mind. Good to know when baiting Smile

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:21 pm

unfortunatly not going exactly to plan, but i am forcing the story on him so he has no other angle to play, basically i will be arriving in abidjan on the 17th and he needs to come see me, to dumb it down alot. he keeps insisting i send money first and then he will meet me there, but im sticking to my guns and not giving him any choice, if he leaves me stredded in abidjan i will have to slap him though