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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:32 pm

All clients of internet cafes should have to register their ID before using a computer.

Logs should be kept of all users, with IP addresses.

Then scammers could be identified, and arrested.

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:58 pm

devil_woman wrote:

All clients of internet cafes should have to register their ID before using a computer.

Arf! Do you think the cyber cafe owners will be fooled by the pathetic attempts to forge ID's that we see week in week out (eg passports 'printed' in Comic Sans!)

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:29 pm

could have cct cameras to 'log in' for internet access

and if WU agent all transactions verified

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:00 am

^^^There's the ticket, if Western Union or Moneygram were to crackdown, 419 could almost be stamped out. There are still other ways to do fraud, but none so easy as Western Union.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:27 am

Western Union, Moneygram and internet cafe owners are not responsible for the scammers actions, the scammers are, period. WU, MG and internet cafe owners provide a service available to everyone, the scammers abuse these services and use them in ways which they were never intended.

Here's an idea: The scammers are also quite fond of abusing free TDD/TTY services. Maybe we should hold companies that provide those services accountable for the scammer's actions too.

This thread really needs to get back on topic.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:17 am

I-Jackov wrote:

"The Federal Government has demanded an unconditional apology from the Sony Corporation over an advertisement in which the company allegedly damaged Nigeria’s reputation.

Wrong. Nigerians damaged Nigeria's reputation.

I-Jackov wrote:

The government said the advertisement was designed to portray Nigeria’s image in bad light.

Wrong. Nigerians put Nigeria in bad light.

Disclaimer: No disrespect to the few honest Nigerians out there.

Jose: All due respect, and I'm not trying to shift any blame from the lads, but I don't think that WU and MG are doing nearly enough to prevent 419. But I won't beat that dead horse anymore.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:28 am

NickTheCop wrote:

Wrong. Nigerians damaged Nigeria's reputation.

NickTheCop wrote:

Wrong. Nigerians put Nigeria in bad light.

All due respect Nick but Nigerian scammers damaged Nigeria's reputation and Nigerian scammers put Nigeria in a bad light. You and I can continue this discussion in PM if you like.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:38 am

^^ Hence the disclaimer. The point I was trying to make is that Sony have nothing to do with putting Nigeria in a bad light.

And that's my last post of clarification on this thread, lest I clog it with my off-topic rambling. I'll shoot you a PM if you're up for a debate.

EDIT, To Carlisle's post below me: Not listening.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:41 am

Oh Ethics Threads...

They're so great.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:12 am

Debate away folks.

Nick, you will have a PM shortly, and by all means, continue with your commentary.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:43 am

^^ Yay, a bona fide ethics thread. clapping

Not quite a Newb Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 41

What a bunch of nonsensical rubbish.

I'd encourage many of you to step back a second and apply your "solutions" to your own regions. I'd be willing to bet a large majority would be a bit pissed off about these intrusions into your privacy.

Last I checked, other countries still had problems with crimes ranging from petty theft to murder (even though firearms were outlawed) to abuse to molestation to :GASP: even fraud, both on and off the internet.

Why does having this hobby make some people the end all be all problem solvers of some other country's crime problem?

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:43 am

There's CRIME in other countries??? Shocked

I'd thought with the Amount of Cop shows on TV at any given time Crime had been wiped out, along with Smallpox Laughing

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:53 am

Buy tall the internet cafes in Lagos and then install punative restrictions on 'habitual users'. Log ALL email addresses they use and send warning emails enmasse.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:07 am

Who buy them all? The, er, incorruptible government? The Police?

You'd just make the cafe owners richer as they took bungs to look the other way, it already goes on with poorly paid WU clerks taking bungs to accept less than satisfactory ID.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:18 pm

Nigeria is so close to being a failed state that it's not funny. Especially as the population is 100+++ million.

Apart from the fact that they don't control much of their territory (i.e the Muslim north and especially the Delta area), there is no single authority in the country with the inclination and the ability to impose 'acceptable' standards of law and order.

The last thing a Nigerian government really wants is a crackdown on 419 -- 419 keeps half a million of the country's best and brightest (yes, it's true) occupied in activities which generate money; if they weren't scamming in the cybercafes, they'd be in the streets burning down buildings and lynching politicians.

I'm sure Sony will apologize, which luckily will double the publicity given to this affair and save many potential victims from Internet fraud.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:04 pm

Quote:

I'm sure Sony will apologize

If sony employ 'the bard' another

'Friends Romans countrymen lend me you ears -'

might suit!

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:43 pm

As fond as I am of simple answers to complex questions, I can see challenges in regulating and enforcing every internet cafe and money transfer outlet in the world.

The crimes committed through those businesses are already illegal and policed to a greater or lesser extent within the limits of local law enforcement resources. It's hard to imagine that the proprietors of those businesses will have greater wherewithal to police those activities than do various law enforcement agencies.

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:55 pm

Regulation isn't the way to stamp out 419.
Education IS.

Regulation is just a short term "fix" that you can guarantee the lads will find a way around.
Education is a long term solution that will shaft them.

As for the Nigeria debate? It cuts both ways. We in the West can be tarred with brushes by those ignorant or hurt enough to want to do so.

But face it, if it wasn't 419 there would be other scams targetting us. There will always be a goodly number of "Have-nots" who will try unscrupulous and illegal methods of getting the money from the "Haves" as they see them.

BTW. Sony will only apologise if it's in their financial interests to do so. Big business doesn't give a crap about ethics.

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