Nibiru 2012

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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:18 am

Just out of curiosity, has anyone here heard about the whole Nibiru/planet X thing and the end of the world on December 21, 2012? I'm basically obsessed with it at this point. I find myself researching all the time on the subject (when I'm not baiting of course) Any opinions on this?

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:44 am

Total nonsense.
http://www.csicop.org/si/2008-05/morrison.html
It was supposed to have happened in 2003 and when it didn't, it was postponed until 2012 when a new date will be announced.

Chuck Norris Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 1369

^ ^ ^ Excellent link, I use that site quite often myself. Smile

I also agree that the whole 2012 thing is total horse doodoo.

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:17 am

Come on, man. Every few years it's the end of the world. Don't you remember the 1999 total solar eclipse over Europe, or Y2K, or 06/06/06? Now this.

Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 3123

Yes - a devout Christian who lives near me was saying his goodbyes on 6.6.06 - I laughed in his face when I saw him the next day.

Prick.

If you're "obsessed" with it at this point, seek help. Soon. Before we all die in 2012. Rolling Eyes

In all seriousness, I cannot understand why time after time after time, like the ones listed above, people KEEP ON believing the next time it will happen. Do they have a wish to die? It's madness. What makes this claim so different to 6.6.06 or anything else?

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:33 am

^^ Nothing better than pointing at someone and laughing. Oh Craig, you're totally rad dude.

Smile

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 21 Aug 2009 Posts: 19

well i do know that the maya's said so and when you research the maya calender it is accurate and 21 12 2012 is the date that earth is in a direct line with the sun and a black hole so i think we will see what happens

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:45 am

Craig007 wrote:

In all seriousness, I cannot understand why time after time after time, like the ones listed above, people KEEP ON believing the next time it will happen.

People want to be scared. They want to be part of the mass hysteria. Do you remember (although I'm not sure if you got this across the pond) in the very early stages of this swine flu story, major news networks were coming out with "hundreds already dead" and "an incurable disease". Of course, back then, only a small handful of people had actually died.

People do not like being content. They crave fear.

EDIT: dnuman: If the Mayans said so, it must be true.

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:50 am

the mugu that you bait has more of a gravitational influence on earth than the black hole at the centre of the galaxy (in the constellation Sagitarius, 30,000 light years away)....

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:51 am

419Eater is my life Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 351

NickTheCop wrote:

People do not like being content. The crave fear.

Furthermore, people are easier to control when they are scared.

Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 2628

Oh the dilemma!
Should I buy Xmas pressies in 2012?
More important is it worth stocking up for Hogmanay?
I may not that year.

Aye that'll be right
Rolling Eyes

I may believe in many weird and wonderful things* but end of the world predictions are not among them.

*On holiday I was told that it wasnt rain but tiny unicorns dancing on my tent. One was called Moonbeam. I believe this.
My hubby would lie to me would he?

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:49 pm

El Sid: As true as that is, the thing is that our contemporaries aren't waiting for governments, churches, and cult leaders to instil fear into them. They're doing it themselves. For example, I've not yet heard of a government claiming the end is near.

419Eater is my life Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 351

@ NickTheCop: I couldn't agree more chap, I think I was allinging my point more towards to the whole non-entity that is piggy flu (just an example), insofar as it totally works in the interest of authorities and the disgusting lack of responsiblity on behalf of those reporting it in the press and broadcast media (papers need to be sold after all). I think you touched on this yourself.

I don't know really, maybe its all part and parcel of the human condition, like life after death, a propensity to feel fear, internalising misery almost as a point-scoring exercise.

*Jerry's final though* .... so please, take care of yourself, and each other.

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:12 pm

El Sid wrote:

I don't know really, maybe its all part and parcel of the human condition, like life after death, a propensity to feel fear, internalising misery almost as a point-scoring exercise.

I think you really hit the nail on the head there. This is why the only time I watch the news is when I'm sitting at the McDonalds with that blasted TV facing me.

Baiting Guru Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 3193

A black hole at any distance is gravitationally exactly the same as an "equal mass" of normal matter. If there was any odd radiation from them, we'd be able to detect them a whole lot better than we can.

The conjunction is there, and it is pretty close. But not that close. In fact there is always a conjunction between the sun and the galactic centre at that time of year. The closest conjunction takes place not in 2012 but a year earlier in 2011:

Code:

Positions 21 Dec
Sun Gal.Centre
RA Dec RA Dec
2009 17d 58.9m -23h 26m 17d 46m 18.1s 29h 00m 40s
2010 17d 57.8m -23h 26m 17d 46m 21.9s 29h 00m 42s
2011 17d 56.7m -23h 26m 17d 46m 25.7s 29h 00m 43s
2012 18d 00.1m -23h 36m 17d 46m 29.5s 29h 00m 44s
2013 17d 59.1m -23h 36m 17d 46m 33.3s 29h 00m 45s
2014 17d 58.0m -23h 36m 17d 46m 37.1s 29h 00m 46s
2015 17d 56.9m -23h 26m 17d 46m 41.0s 29h 00m 47s

Also note that there is a massive 52 degree difference in declination. In fact the solar ecliptic is tilted in the wrong direction to make this a conjunction. Six months earlier the Earth will be more nearly in line. In fact it is a couple of days after the summer solstice that the right ascension becomes closest, but it is still closer in 2011 than 2012, and it is still six and a half degrees of declination out.

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:24 pm

"The Horn Blows at Midnight"

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:53 pm

Quote:

well i do know that the maya's said so

Actually the Mayans didn't say anything about the world ending - far less how. Their calendar cycle ended at that point - as it had done before.

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:14 pm

The end of the world is very much like making love to a beautiful woman....the Earth moves and it climaxes with a big bang in a black hole, and then there is lots of smoking afterwards. Laughing

Baiting Guru Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 3193

^^^

For comparison, six degrees is about twelve sun diameters.

Mayan scholars do not accept that the Mayans would have predicted the end of the world at the end of the current long calender cycle. The Mayans did record prophetic dates beyond the end of the current cycle, so it seems they expected something to survive.

If one is to give any mythological credence to this event, I am put in mind of the introduction to Torchwood: "The twenty-first century is when everything changes, and you've got to be ready."

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:03 pm

Now you've gone and done it, Thud - you've used actual facts to debunk a conspiracy theory. Facts don't go down too well with proponents of that sort of theory.

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:46 pm

thud419 wrote:

"The twenty-first century is when everything changes, and you've got to be ready."

I'm still waiting. We've finally got flat screen TVs but where's my flying car? Sad

419Eater is my life Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 351

^ I'm waiting for 'hover-boards' Sad

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:57 pm

From: 2012 Pole Shift Survival Guide Page 1

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread290764/pg1

Wink

The post (5 or 6 down) about the Denver Airport is interesting, if not strange. My daughter was flying out of there last night and while waiting for her flt. was telling me about all of those pictures on the walls. Although I didn't ask what her interpretation was, she would have mentioned an ominous tone to them if she sensed one.

Then I come across this thread....hm Rolling Eyes

Baiting Guru Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 3193

@Mr Tambourine Man, El Sid

I've got my wrist-communicator; I'm happy
http://www.francetelecom.com/en_EN/press/press_releases/cp090807en.jsp