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Hello I'm New here! Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1

Hi Guys,

I am new here and need your urgent help with something...

Does anyone of you have the new phone number of plus20k or the new company in Singapore that has been claimed to have taken over...E-force Services?

My friend has been with them for over 10 years or so, and has paid $20k or so and been sending the guy monthly payments all this time....

Now he found an email from them claiming to have given the company to new owners and the new owners asked him to send some documents plus some fees as well, but has to be there before 4 days from NOW.

They also said they have sent another email before this warning about the new changes, but he couldn't find it.

The problem is he can't send the package via express mail since they need a phone number and the new company refuses to provide one before he becomes a member... WTF? Now even the email is dead and doesn't deliver messages. As claimed all the new working contact info will be sent to him after he delivers the documents and fees.

He can't send the package via regular mail as it is impossible to make it on time.

That means all of his investments are gone....

Now I know they probably are scammers and it is no use sending them more money, but he needs to send this one just to get rid of any possible future guilt feelings.... Please Help!

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:55 pm

Hi Sambi, as we don't allow necro's (where you take an old thread and bring it back to life), I have split your post off, but this is the thread to link to for our 'previous' on what is known as 'Mike's Scam'.

LINK TO THREAD

Your friend has no 'investments', apparently, just money he has lost to scammers. I don't undertand why he is so keen to send them any more - just to save face?

ETA: This sounds like a classic Ponzi, does anyone know more for sambi's friend's benefit?

Google found me this:
http://www.plus20k.com/cgi-bin/taptap.cgi

Quote:

Project Website is Shut -- Perhaps Permanently

Mike's E-mail of April 22nd

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:20 pm

I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling reading this: http://www.plus20k.com/cgi-bin/taptap.cgi

^ you were editing while I was typing Smile

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:26 pm

/\/\ Sorry Dutch!

I get this:

Quote:

Registration Service Provided By: HANDLETON BUSINESS SYSTEM TRUST
Contact: +001.2811919824

Domain Name: PLUS20K.COM

Registrant:
PrivacyProtect.org
Domain Admin ()
P.O. Box 97
Note - All Postal Mails Rejected, visit Privacyprotect.org
Moergestel
null,5066 ZH
NL
Tel. +45.36946676

Creation Date: 13-Nov-2001
Expiration Date: 13-Nov-2009

Domain servers in listed order:
ns2.totalyprivate.com
ns1.totalyprivate.com

But there was a Mike in Jakarta found in the original thread.

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:53 pm

^ The whois data is 'protected' by PrivacyProtect, a Dutch company that offers this service for registrants that have something to hide.

However, there's an IP address posted on this page we both found: 75.127.80.152, which leads to the US, where the website is hosted, and a ping to plus20k.com shows 75.127.80.153 as target IP, same host..

Quote:

Queried whois.arin.net with "75.127.80.152"...

OrgName: Global Net Access, LLC
OrgID: GNAL-2
Address: 1100 White St SW
City: Atlanta
StateProv: GA
PostalCode: 30310
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.gnax.net:4321

NetRange: 75.127.64.0 - 75.127.127.255
CIDR: 75.127.64.0/18
NetName: GNAXNET
NetHandle: NET-75-127-64-0-1
Parent: NET-75-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: DNS1.GNAX.NET
NameServer: DNS2.GNAX.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2007-06-18
Updated: 2008-01-14

RAbuseHandle: ABUSE745-ARIN
RAbuseName: GNAX ABUSE
RAbusePhone: +1-404-230-9150
RAbuseEmail: [email protected]

RTechHandle: ENGIN7-ARIN
RTechName: GNAX ENGINEERING
RTechPhone: +1-404-230-9150
RTechEmail: [email protected]

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE745-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: GNAX ABUSE
OrgAbusePhone: +1-404-230-9150
OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]

OrgNOCHandle: ENGIN7-ARIN
OrgNOCName: GNAX ENGINEERING
OrgNOCPhone: +1-404-230-9150
OrgNOCEmail: [email protected]

OrgTechHandle: ENGIN7-ARIN
OrgTechName: GNAX ENGINEERING
OrgTechPhone: +1-404-230-9150
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2009-06-08 20:00

@ Sambi : I'd advise your friend to stop throwing good money after bad, this seems all very fishy to me.

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:38 pm

@ Sambi, this site exists to torment the scammers, as you have lurked around all day and not had much response, can I suggest you or your friend post on our sister site Scamwarners.com, which exists to counsel and advise victims of scams.

Similar 'investment schemes' have been dealt with on there, I hope this helps.

ETA I found this post using Google:

Quote:

That "program" has been nothing than a scam since day one, people. It keeps you on hook for ten years now so that you send them money whenever they ask.

You can wait for eternity but nothing will ever be happening.

LINK

I see startaid.com has given you similar advice in response to your post on there

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 1

Roycropper wrote:

Hi Sambi, as we don't allow necro's (where you take an old thread and bring it back to life), I have split your post off, but this is the thread to link to for our 'previous' on what is known as 'Mike's Scam'.

LINK TO THREAD

Your friend has no 'investments', apparently, just money he has lost to scammers. I don't undertand why he is so keen to send them any more - just to save face?

ETA: This sounds like a classic Ponzi, does anyone know more for sambi's friend's benefit?

Google found me this:
http://www.plus20k.com/cgi-bin/taptap.cgi

Quote:

Project Website is Shut -- Perhaps Permanently

Mike's E-mail of April 22nd

No, it does not sound "like a classic Ponzi". Ponzis are not as wicked. They do reward early entrants. This is 100% looti by Mike (I am aware Mike could be any one, but I use his scam name) ... sambi gives Mike 20K, Mike keeps 20k. Jane Doe gives Mike 20K, Mike keeps 20K. From these transfers to Mike, all Mike has to spend is scamming expenses (including website hositng and maintenance).

I think Sambi should review http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx for directions.

Locked to stop further Necros, however D65 reports the website gone. RC 17Nov09

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